

i have my doubts about the strength of those THS and other cheap rods.



people overestimate how much Carrillo/Eagle/Pauter rods cost direct from manufacturer though.

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That'll be in China thenjrleech wrote:.
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they are made in the same factory as the Eagle rods
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.then when the valve opens youve got a vacuum in the engine, and a positive pressure zone in the plenum, and youve effectively got forced induction
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James_Ward wrote:
That's what the good old TVIS does it gives you two diffferent intake runner diameters effectively giving you two intake resonance'boosts'.
James_Ward wrote:Jim-SR wrote:.
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.then when the valve opens youve got a vacuum in the engine, and a positive pressure zone in the plenum, and youve effectively got forced induction
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Are you talking about resonance tuning? There are fairly simple equations that allow you to work out runner lengths so you can line up the resonant frequency of the intake charge with the maximum valve overlap/rpm of whatever cams you're using to get a small VE increase.I've got a book somewhere that explains it unfortunately it's at home.
Send me a PM and I'll dig it out this weekend.
That's what the good old TVIS does it gives you two diffferent intake runner diameters effectively giving you two intake resonance'boosts'.
Plenums exist mainly to equalise the flow to each cylinder, mainly because underbonnet package considerations rarely give allow you to have long(required for good low down torque) equal length runners.
the plenum acts as a
'reserve' of air so the cylinder with the longest runner length will get roughly the same air pressure as the cylinder with the shortest.
On a race car which is tuned for top end generally wide open throttle driving, and is not designed to be quiet, smooth, fuel effecient and reliable, short intake tracts with no plenum is fine.Plus short intake tracts mean the resonance boost occurs high up the rpm range.
The caterham with the VHPD K series uses a roller barrel throttle to minimise throttle plate air resistance at maximum rpm..
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if its in a book, it must be true!!
everything youve said is correct, in the real world its not.![]()
results didnt come out perfect.
there are also complex radii within intake systems which make it hard to even precisely measure the length of the intake,
the real world the formulas can get you reasonably close.
experience and knowing
there is plenty of space in many engine bays to run equal length long trumpets
how can a car idle in a perfectly controlled manner if it has to do so by opening the butterflies?
running ITB's results in poor emissions, not to mention the fuel consumption issues.![]()
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.TVIS doesnt work in that way at all.
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but since when was runner area part of the helmholtz resonance calculation?
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if equal length runners are the way to go for optimum power, why do Hasselgren run uneuqal length trumpets on their 250bhp 4A-GE Formula Atlantic engines?![]()
things are a lot more complex than books and simplified scientific formulas suggest!
Jim-SR wrote:
it makes interesting discussion if nothing else