BMW 530d driven by fat businessman

[1974nc]

Coming round motorway roundabout to join motorway tonight i had a typical 07 plate BMW 5 series driver stuck to my rear bumper physically trying to drive through my car! anyways gets onto slip rd and gave it somer beans from 30 to 70ish and pulled a few car lengths but not much then backed off and let the idiot fly past at what i guess was about 120-130mph. Firstly I was pi##ed off at the fat fool in the BMW thinking he owner the road but secondly I was gutted that these big capacity diesels really do have some mid range roll on power and even though mines a modded car its not really that quick compared to new technology in todays motors..... anyone else feel similar?

[luthor1]

No dude,

your car is in some way disfunctional!

A 260+bhp MR2 will not have a problem with 99% of current diesels...

[Rev5GT]

No dude,

your car is in some way disfunctional!

He could be driving a n/a....

[Johnny G]

the 07 530d 235bhp and 500Nm. That's some serious twist. You'd be needing a modded turbo to even stay near that - and if he's had it remapped then you're looking at 265bhp and 560Nm.

They're quick ... my 535d destroys a lot of things on the road!

[luthor1]

yeah, and it weighs 1655kg's!!

I'm sure it does 'go' but not 250+bhp MR2 Turbo 'go' is what I mean

Yeah - could be an N/A MR2 in which case you're xxxx'd

[Graeme Shaw]

the 07 530d 235bhp and 500Nm. That's some serious twist. You'd be needing a modded turbo to even stay near that - and if he's had it remapped then you're looking at 265bhp and 560Nm.

They're quick ... my 535d destroys a lot of things on the road!

Eh?

There quick, but a standard tubby, should easily do away with it.

Graeme

[Tiamat]

yeah, and it weighs 1655kg's!!

I'm sure it does 'go' but not 250+bhp MR2 Turbo 'go' is what I mean

Yeah - could be an N/A MR2 in which case you're 'k'd

Don't forget we are talking about a "rolling start" and the midrange may be greater in the bimmer. Once these cars are up and running you negate alot of the weight disadvantage. Clearly demonstrated by the fact that one of the fastest cars beteen 30 and 50 in 3rd gear in the Saab 9000 Carlsson which weighs in about 2 tonnes and was stopped in about 1992/3. Its 0-60 is terrible but once its rolling it has the power to surprise.

[Johnny G]

the 07 530d 235bhp and 500Nm. That's some serious twist. You'd be needing a modded turbo to even stay near that - and if he's had it remapped then you're looking at 265bhp and 560Nm.

They're quick ... my 535d destroys a lot of things on the road!

Eh?

There quick, but a standard tubby, should easily do away with it.

Graeme

1655Kg for my Bimmer vs 1230kg for the '2
344bhp and 620lb/ft vs average turbo of 280bhp and 250lb/ft

that works out to:
207bhp and 374lb/ft per ton for the bimmer and 227bhp 203lb/ft per ton for the '2.

I've driven both as I own both - and trust me. The 535d IS a quicker on a rolling start.

Against a 280bhp turbo, my money would be on the 530d from 50 onwards. You can't compete against that amount of torque.

Plus, they're quite slippery with a low CoD.

But, physics goes out teh window - the turbo is the quickest car - ever.

[luthor1]

500Nm is 368lbsft not 600+!!!! ???

It's not a matter of 'trust' guys, it's a matter of fact.

The Tubbie would have to be 5th gear roll-on, which is not the point. At 50mph the tubbie would be in 3rd gear at 3500rpm, just about peak torque, so it's gonna be no slouch, and will do 50-100mph in that very same gear.

[Lauren]

Coming round motorway roundabout to join motorway tonight i had a typical 07 plate BMW 5 series driver stuck to my rear bumper physically trying to drive through my car! anyways gets onto slip rd and gave it somer beans from 30 to 70ish and pulled a few car lengths but not much then backed off and let the idiot fly past at what i guess was about 120-130mph. Firstly I was pi##ed off at the fat fool in the BMW thinking he owner the road but secondly I was gutted that these big capacity diesels really do have some mid range roll on power and even though mines a modded car its not really that quick compared to new technology in todays motors..... anyone else feel similar?

Something worth remembering: The third lane of the motorway is the BMW lane so it was fair enough that he was trying to push you out the way in order to get to the BMW lane. All BMW owners own the road, thats how it is i'm afraid. Life's not fair etc.

[Johnny G]

The third lane of the motorway is the BMW lane so it was fair enough that he was trying to push you out the way in order to get to the BMW lane.

Couldn't have said it better myself

[Johnny G]

Long live the tubby...

V6 is better tho

[Johnny G]

500Nm is 368lbsft not 600+!!!! ???

It's not a matter of 'trust' guys, it's a matter of fact.

The Tubbie would have to be 5th gear roll-on, which is not the point. At 50mph the tubbie would be in 3rd gear at 3500rpm, just about peak torque, so it's gonna be no slouch, and will do 50-100mph in that very same gear.

I'm quoting my remapped 535d - not a 530d

Apologies for the confusion I caused there, my head was elsewhere when I wrote this. My cars torque is 506lb/ft and power 344bhp.

Not enough to mince a tubby though

[Rev2_mike]

I'd put my money on the 5 series too from a rolling start. I had a standard golf gt tdi 150 just before i got my current tubby, and before that a G-ltd, the golf was definitely quicker than my NA when moving and probably fairly similar 0-60 i reckon. At motorway speeds i'd look like this if i suggested that my tubby (288bhp at fly) felt much quicker than the golf - but a 535d would sail past from 50-70+ i reckon. I'd like to have a go in one, if they weren't so barge like i'd be tempted, maybe a 335d or 330d instead - better get saving i guess

Another point would be the petrol engines didnt impress me though, i've driven a company 325 (04 plate) a lot and i must say it doesnt feel that quick, and positively sloth like when on a roll if you put your foot down.

[1974nc]

dont get me wrong. im no idiot when it comes to thrashing your car but. i was giving it 8-9/10ths and the big fat BM was keeping with me no probs. hence me thinking that you would need a 600bhp car to convincingly leave a 230bhp car?

[luthor1]

Granted they are 'nippy' but 6.6 0-60 and 153 top speed is nothing to write home about.

No, a BMW Diesel *anything* would not beat a near 300bhp tubby. Not this side of the next ice age.

Like I said, perhaps a 5th gear roll-on. The diesel engines are still not flexible enough. Loads of torque - yes, but it takes revs to translate that into MPH increase. It's only got that torque for a split second then you are forced to change gear AGAIN.

EDIT: A near 300bhp tubby is looking at 4.6-4.8 0-60 and a top speed of the rev limiter, so nearly 170mph. At what point during the onslaught of 2nd, 3rd, then 4th to 130mph do you think the Diesel will come sailing past??

Dreamworld!!

[Andy Champ]

Don't forget we are talking about a "rolling start" and the midrange may be greater in the bimmer. Once these cars are up and running you negate alot of the weight disadvantage. Clearly demonstrated by the fact that one of the fastest cars beteen 30 and 50 in 3rd gear in the Saab 9000 Carlsson which weighs in about 2 tonnes and was stopped in about 1992/3. Its 0-60 is terrible but once its rolling it has the power to surprise.

Pfft salesman's figures. Perhaps that Saab is geared to top out at 60 in 3rd, not pushing a ton like the '2.

Those Beemers are pretty good though.

I always point out to people though that when they've tried a diseasel and it felt good, they were probably driving it pretty near peak power at 3000 RPM instead of half revs like the petrol they normally drive - which means that when you rev it out, there's no more.

And torque? <soapbox> It really doesn't matter. Think of the output torque of the entire power unit, it just depends on what gear you are in! </soapbox>

Andy

[Scotster]

Came across this doing a search for a bit of info.

Test drove the DMS 535d; DMS told me that they had rolling roaded the car and were seeing 360 BHP and 640lb/ft, but that they were making more conservative claims in their literature. I asked if they would stand by the higher figures if I had my car upgraded, they said yes.................

.................... 0-60 came up in 5.2 seconds ( 63MPH on the speedo ) with DSC switched on - I didn't have the courage to dial it out - and 50-70 in 2.7 seconds. Throttle response was unbelievable, transition to warp speed would be a good way to describe it.

Don't really know what to take from this. How did he manage to get the times from a test drive? The guy said he had ordered a new M5 and cancelled it to buy one of these instead.

I have no idea, is 2.7 for 50-70 good?

Scott =op

[Polypedates]

In time, you will come to recognise the easy charms of the Mk2 Turbo for the shallow effervescent experience it is.

Then, if you are chosen, you will discover the zen enlightenment of the 'slow' Mk1 and revel in the nirvana that is pure handling prowess, immune to the percieved slights of the heathen philistines in their pumped-up luxo-barges.

[Johnny G]

Don't forget we are talking about a "rolling start" and the midrange may be greater in the bimmer. Once these cars are up and running you negate alot of the weight disadvantage. Clearly demonstrated by the fact that one of the fastest cars beteen 30 and 50 in 3rd gear in the Saab 9000 Carlsson which weighs in about 2 tonnes and was stopped in about 1992/3. Its 0-60 is terrible but once its rolling it has the power to surprise.

Pfft salesman's figures. Perhaps that Saab is geared to top out at 60 in 3rd, not pushing a ton like the '2.

Those Beemers are pretty good though.

I always point out to people though that when they've tried a diseasel and it felt good, they were probably driving it pretty near peak power at 3000 RPM instead of half revs like the petrol they normally drive - which means that when you rev it out, there's no more.

And torque? <soapbox> It really doesn't matter. Think of the output torque of the entire power unit, it just depends on what gear you are in! </soapbox>

Andy

I was the same, but the twin turbo means I've got power from pretty much idle right 5k redline.

Put it this way, my 535d has outdragged the e39 M5 (5ltr, 400bhp V8 version). I'm happy to demo this to doubters