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Re: xxxx and IMOC-UK

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Tims one of the most helpful affiliates on here. Everybody makes mistakes but from what ive heard (and no, not from Tim himself) theres dirty business going on. Ofcourse theres competition, there always will be.

His products are top quality and im sure theres a LOT of people on these forums disgusted by this decision. Not only do his products do this forum and MR2s justice, but he helps everbody out when most of the time receives nothing but a thanks in return.

What he said was NOT said across the forums but in private, surely thats the idea of a PM? Its a way for you to express your thoughts without xxxx stirring. I dont want to get into detail but as far as im concerned, i would have reacted exactly the same, its only human. There should be further investigations into this....
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jeasus, this sort of crap really grips my xxxx

going round in circles here and i recon will do for ages

the FACTS are there, he has admitted he was wrong

there is no FIT UP etc etc

tim bad mouthed another affiliate, FACT he got banned, done it many times before so it is not a one off what so ever

people have there own sides of the storie told my there "mates" but you cant argue with FACTS and him admitting it.

who on here has recived a PM from century motorsport either bad mouthing tim or poaching his business.

I SUGGEST IF YOU HAVE RECEVED A PM FROM CENTURY MOTORSPORT OF THIS NATURE THAT YOU GET A BIT OF INTEGRETY AND MORAL COURAGE AND SPEAK UP

IF NOT THEN LET IT LIE, IF SO THEN MODS CAN DEAL WITH IT
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mr2nut123 wrote:Tims one of the most helpful affiliates on here. Everybody makes mistakes but from what ive heard (and no, not from Tim himself) theres dirty business going on. Ofcourse theres competition, there always will be.

His products are top quality and im sure theres a LOT of people on these forums disgusted by this decision. Not only do his products do this forum and MR2s justice, but he helps everbody out when most of the time receives nothing but a thanks in return.

What he said was NOT said across the forums but in private, surely thats the idea of a PM? Its a way for you to express your thoughts without xxxx stirring. I dont want to get into detail but as far as im concerned, i would have reacted exactly the same, its only human. There should be further investigations into this....


Tim, has made one mistake too many in all honesty. He was told time and time again that his conduct was not acceptable. Tom even sent him a PM telling him that he is risking getting banned, so Tim knew exactly what he was doing. He was fully aware of the consequences.

Sending PMs to another affiliates potential customers slagging them off with innaccurate information and then trying to secure the sale for himself is far from acceptable behaviour. That the comments amounted to slander made it even more serious. I'm not talking about the odd comment i'm talking pages of the stuff, it was far worse than i ever imagined.

yes of course there is competition, but there is such a thing as business ettiquette which was sorely missing in this case. As for further investigations, honestly i went looking for some specific conversations and found far more than i bargained for (BTW BenF did the same).

I am not going to discuss the content of the PMs because that would break confidentiality.

I am not cricising Tim's product or service, or even what he is like as a person. It is his business conduct that got him into hot water.
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Re: xxxx and IMOC-UK

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i have known both these guys PERSONALLY for some time now, and i know they dont see eye to eye,and as i class both of them as mates i dont get involved in any of thier differences.............

but this thread is getting stupid! so i feel like i should comment.

its very sad to see tim get banned,but you cant say he hasnt been given enough chances,so where do you draw the line?
he has a good reputation,and i doubt any of this will affect his sales,i will still certainly use him,and ive spent a small fortune with him in the past!
most imoc members probly have him added on msn,or use his website,so i doubt he will suffer at all.

but as for people trying to make out he was set up,this is RUBBISH!
jumping to conclusions dosent help anyone! especially when you dont know the facts!

and yes i can make this comment as like ive said i know them BOTH very well.

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Go John :clap:






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Re: xxxx and IMOC-UK

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jmachling wrote:There doesn't seem to be much of this sentiment, but I just want to offer my appreciation and support for a committee that isn't shy in making tough decisions; a rare thing. :clap:


I would like to add my thanks too. Being on a committee rarely brings any real rewards, and often brings flak. Keep the good work up guys.

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Same place Andy
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Lauren wrote:
yes of course there is competition, but there is such a thing as business ettiquette which was sorely missing in this case. As for further investigations, honestly i went looking for some specific conversations and found far more than i bargained for (BTW BenF did the same).


Lauren and I looked into this in quite some detail over a number of days, and I'm sorry to say what we found only supported what was brought to us originally.

We can't have conduct here from any member which could be interpreted as Slander or Libel - the forum rules are constructed to prevent such situations.

It is very rare for us to ever have a need to intervene with respect to potential Slander or Libel issues - of over half a million posts on the site, most people won't expect to end up breaking any of the Rules here.
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markiii wrote:Speaking as someone who runs another club, you can't have rules if you make exceptions.

And trust me a club teh size of IMOC wouldn't survive without rules. If you don't feel teh rules are fair run for election and try changing them.


Totally agree with Mark.
Rules are rules for the good of everyone.
IMO I don't think it's helpful to debate this situation.
Certainly the committee should have made an announcement, which they've done, and in up holding the rules a banning order has been imposed.
That should really be the end of the matter and we should all move on.
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We have of course been talking about locking this thread, but I've wanted to keep it open. The reason being two fold :

1) I want us to be open about why we did what we did, and to make it clear that it involved all of the moderation team, and all of the IMOC committee. We don't take these things lightly, especially where it puts the club into a potentially difficult legal situation. To those people who are new, or don't know what the rules are, it's useful to see them in action - and it shows that we take the integrity of the website (front page aside :) ) very seriously.

2) As is always teh case in these situations, if we'd put up a single locked post explaining things, there there would be a proliferation of threads all across the board, leading to much more sweeping up for our moderation team - so best to keep it all in one place.


Just to clear up the other points raised (since I was out last night)
1) Fining people instead of formal warnings - I have to disagree with that, we can't be drawn into legal problems, just because a member or affiliate has enough money to pay us off.
2) Finite time bans instead of infinite - Again, if the ban was only for x weeks or months, the person would come back, and in all likleyhood, carry on the way they were before, doesn't really solve the problem, just sweeps it under the carpet a bit.


Thankyou for the messages of support from the other people, it's appreciated :thumleft: - we really do make sure that banning is an absolute last resort, we want IMOC forums to be a happy place as much as possible.
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simmo490 wrote:jeasus, this sort of crap really grips my xxxx

going round in circles here and i recon will do for ages

the FACTS are there, he has admitted he was wrong

there is no FIT UP etc etc

tim bad mouthed another affiliate, FACT he got banned, done it many times before so it is not a one off what so ever

people have there own sides of the storie told my there "mates" but you cant argue with FACTS and him admitting it.

who on here has recived a PM from century motorsport either bad mouthing tim or poaching his business.

I SUGGEST IF YOU HAVE RECEVED A PM FROM CENTURY MOTORSPORT OF THIS NATURE THAT YOU GET A BIT OF INTEGRETY AND MORAL COURAGE AND SPEAK UP

IF NOT THEN LET IT LIE, IF SO THEN MODS CAN DEAL WITH IT


You strike me as being a bit 'two faced'. You WERE calling the other affiliate all the names under the sun to Tim @TB after only a week ago beacuse you were unhappy with the work done. Were you in fact one of the 'baiters' after all? =;
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Speedy wrote:We have of course been talking about locking this thread, but I've wanted to keep it open. The reason being two fold :

1) I want us to be open about why we did what we did, and to make it clear that it involved all of the moderation team, and all of the IMOC committee. We don't take these things lightly, especially where it puts the club into a potentially difficult legal situation. To those people who are new, or don't know what the rules are, it's useful to see them in action - and it shows that we take the integrity of the website (front page aside :) ) very seriously.

2) As is always teh case in these situations, if we'd put up a single locked post explaining things, there there would be a proliferation of threads all across the board, leading to much more sweeping up for our moderation team - so best to keep it all in one place.


Just to clear up the other points raised (since I was out last night)
1) Fining people instead of formal warnings - I have to disagree with that, we can't be drawn into legal problems, just because a member or affiliate has enough money to pay us off.
2) Finite time bans instead of infinite - Again, if the ban was only for x weeks or months, the person would come back, and in all likleyhood, carry on the way they were before, doesn't really solve the problem, just sweeps it under the carpet a bit.
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As a supporter of Tim due to getting to know him over the last 3 years via MR2 ownership and his help in the last year i now class him as a friend. Most people on here know that and that won't change.
As an IMOC member i Totally agree with Speedys comments above and rules have to be in place and followed.
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Seriously - if you don't have anything constructive to add to this discussion, please don't add anything on to it. This is not a personal thing, so lets not make it personal please.


<added>That was aimed at Ryans post btw</added>
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Re: xxxx and IMOC-UK

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Speedy wrote:
<added>That was aimed at Ryans post btw</added>


You were just about to get a right mouth full :lol:
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redeye32uk wrote:
Speedy wrote:
<added>That was aimed at Ryans post btw</added>


You were just about to get a right mouth full :lol:


lol, yes, I thought I'd better clarify that one :clown:
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Re: xxxx and IMOC-UK

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Speedy wrote:Seriously - if you don't have anything constructive to add to this discussion, please don't add anything on to it. This is not a personal thing, so lets not make it personal please.


<added>That was aimed at Ryans post btw</added>


It has got personal Speedy, but I just hate it when people come across 'holier than thou,' supporting the other afilliate but 'bitching' about them to TB and then using his relpies as evidence. They possibly been instrumental to the whole this ban(or at least part of it). I just don't know how some people sleep at night...
..and yes I have seen the MSN evidence...
I hate two faced people, guttless. Oh and don't worry, i've signed out of this thread for good :silent:

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ryan wrote:
It has got personal Speedy, but I just hate it when people come across 'holier than thou,' supporting the other afilliate but 'bitching' about them to TB and then using his relpies as evidence. They possibly been instrumental to the whole this ban(or at least part of it). I just don't know how some people sleep at night...
..and yes I have seen the MSN evidence...
I hate two faced people, guttless. Oh and don't worry, i've signed out of this thread for good :silent:

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The ban is based on seperate incidents that led to a number of warnings being issued that added up to a ban. Think its best is people (not directed at you solely Ryan) keep this thread on topic.

I would also invite anyone wishing to comment to read the post from Redeye32uk on behalf of Tim at TB before making any further comments.

This threads is being kept open for people to comment on the issue only and not to b1tch about each other.
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Re: xxxx and IMOC-UK

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ryan wrote:
It has got personal Speedy, but I just hate it when people come across 'holier than thou,' supporting the other afilliate but 'bitching' about them to TB and then using his relpies as evidence. They possibly been instrumental to the whole this ban(or at least part of it). I just don't know how some people sleep at night...
..and yes I have seen the MSN evidence...
I hate two faced people, guttless. Oh and don't worry, i've signed out of this thread for good :silent:

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Put it this way there were at least five instances all to different people that a formal warning could be given on. There were not any 'baiters' in any of the evidence we checked.
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Re: xxxx and IMOC-UK

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I'm not behind this Tim ban one bit... but as rules are rules there is not a lot we can do. The committee made there choice.... Thats it. I've expressed my feelings about all of this.

I think all we can do now is support Tim and keep promoting his store and products. As said in previous posts... just because he has been banned this dosent make him a bad trader... in fact i would stick my neck on the line and say he's one of the best.

So lets stop the bickering... and start supporting Tim... he might not be able to post on here anymore but we can sure as hell make sure hes not forgotten

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Well said that man :thumleft:
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