'05 wrx sti

[revturbo]

lol Rikki!!

If you talk classic shape, then 300bhp scooby is quicer 0-60/0-100/1.4mile but not top speed. Reasons are traction, and gearing mainly, the scooby managing 100mph in 3rd quite easily, and onto 140mph in 4th it's no slouch at the top either.

The Scooby AWD system isn't as restrictive as you'd imagine, and don't forget the scoob and the MR2 weigh the same!!

Round a track the scoob has a much better chassis and would win there almost always bhp for bhp.

I have plumbed the numbers into CarTest and it predicts the Scoob to win. For those doubting thomas's, CarTest is obviously fictitious, and not "real" however it's algorithms are at least consistent and the virtual driver changes gear at the same rate each time, and the tyres are of uniform grip.

(LOL @ Rikki - Evo! )

Another good site is www.letstorquebhp.com which has a 'calculator' for awd,rwd,fwd.

On this site there are a lot of theoretical values for lots of cars and is a great read

Btw it lists the uk sti as 1470kg and www.subaru.co.uk lists the 2006 UK STi model as 1495kg so at equal bhp I would still expect the mr2 to catch the scooby by the 1/4 mile and have a definate advantage from 60-100 due to 150+kg lighter, much lower drag cd and less transmission loss.

Although as you said the scoob would normally win the 0-60 dash.

I still don't see why the original post was so unbelievable - he is running 16psi which is 270-300 odd fwhp depending on the air/fuel ratio. He also states 229bhp at the hubs so roughly 270bhp sounds about right?

Btw congrats on the good run rikki!

the guy at thor worked it out

229@hubs = 271.22@flywheel

WEIGHT i have no PAS, no ABS, no Aircon, no Airbags nothing,not even front foglights, except a radio with 2 speakers which i will be removing soon. i dont listen to it!

the car was a 3sfe originally so its pretty light in weight

it cant be much over 1250kg

is there anywhere that will weigh it????

[Rikki]

Public weigh bridge maybe? VOSA depot?

[Kongaroo]

the guy at thor worked it out

229@hubs = 271.22@flywheel

WEIGHT i have no PAS, no ABS, no Aircon, no Airbags nothing,not even front foglights, except a radio with 2 speakers which i will be removing soon. i dont listen to it!

the car was a 3sfe originally so its pretty light in weight

it cant be much over 1250kg

is there anywhere that will weigh it????

If you use directory enquiries to get the number of your local trading standards office, and then call them and ask them where your nearest local public weighbridge is they should have a list.

It cost me about 6-7 pounds to weigh my tubby.

[revturbo]

nice one!

i was thinking my local tip, they have what looks like a weighing machine.

i'll try them first

[Kongaroo]

nice one!

i was thinking my local tip, they have what looks like a weighing machine.

i'll try them first

Great, be interesting to find out what an ex-3sfe tubby weighs!

Mine weighed approx. 1317kg (incl. full tank petrol, on standard toyota rims, tools, spare, abs, airbag, aircon, TRC and a few other tidbits in the boot)

[nightSpirit]

I know it's a different kettle of fish with my car but when I came up against a 450hp (supposedly) WRX...it was a very closely run thing. I reeled him in without too much hassle (not like that Evo 6) and as usual once fifth gear was reached he went in rewind.

The funniest thing was his inlet temps on his commander, mine were sat at 25-8 deg..his were closing on 45...that's got to make a difference.

Love that flat four sound though

[Rikki]

Getting 450bhp on a Scoob is tricky stuff, and with that flat four burble he wasnt running equal length headers among other things.

Things that make you go hmmm

R.

[rev3gt]

sorry, but most of that is non-sense.

300bhp scoob will beat a 300bhp MR2 any day on any test other than top speed. MR2 will hit around 165, scoob will hit around 158. The scoob will hit 60/100 and 1/4 mile quicker too.

Oh, and the 2000 "classic" scooby weighs the same as the MR2.

Anyone who has a 280bhp MR2, I know a 280bhp Scoob you can put your money where the proverbial is if you fancy?

Fun? Fun is 4 wheel drifting round roundabouts pointing towards the centre not fighting snap oversteer and entering wet roundabouts wondering if you will get out the otherside!!!

At last someone who doesnt overate there mr2 against a faster car just because they own one =D>

[nightSpirit]

I don't over-rate my car either...some do but not all on here...the scooby isn't a great car...neither is the evo imo...I have little respect for either.

The MR2 isn't perfect by any stretch though. I'd have thought a 300hp MR2 would have a 300hp Scooby due to weight/tranny loss etc...but I may be wrong.

[Kongaroo]

At last someone who doesnt overate there mr2 against a faster car just because they own one =D>

Lol, it's just a friendly discussion.

I based my assumption on the 300bhp mr2 catching the equally powered sti on the numbers I got from the 'calculator' on www.letstorquebhp.com - try it and see - it's seems pretty close to the real life times considering it is all theoretical.

Nb, I used 1320kg for the Mr2 (fully loaded spec) and 1470kg which is the weight of an '05 Sti.

Besides Mr2s are capable cars - nothing to be ashamed of

[rev3gt]

Fair point i dont have a lot of knolege of uk imprezas i think a jdm mr2 and jdm impreza is a fair comparrison. one thing you cant do is take the t bar of and listen to the great engine note in a scooby

both very different cars and good at what they do

[Scotster]

The whole discussion is based on the fact that a scooby aint faster than a 2.

Its quite a bit faster to 60 but the quarter times for a standard scooby is 0.2 seconds faster than a standard 220bhp rev2 (depending who's driving of course) That makes them pretty slow once they are off the line considering.

Turn up the PSI on the 2, get a decen't launch and over the quarter the Scoob will be beat.

Personally i've never raced one off the line, its always been 50 plus which is probably where the 2 comes into its own, and i have never had one even close to giving me a race. My 2 is also way quicker than what my evo was although that thing was mental off the line, but after 50.. again.. its no contest.

Scott =op

[Rikki]

Being in a position where I get to speak to a lot of Scooby owners and modifiers one of the main things I hear from them is critisism of their own cars. The engines are fragile, they have inherant problems from the factory (fuel and oil starvation issues, chocolate internals, dicky MAF sensors etc). One recent example was interviewing Dee Ireland from CRD about their white Scooby. He explained in great detail the amount of problems experienced in trying to get the thing to do quickly and more importantly reliabily. As I explain to people on a regular basis my MR2 (my first Toyota, and indeed Japanese car) arrived in the UK being 10 years old and with 60k on the clock. I've abused the life out of her over the last 2.5 years and all she's ever let me down on was the battery and clutch. Everything else replaced on the car was through choice, even today I was astonished (as was the mechanic) to find that the rotor arm that I've had fitted since owning the car looked like the under side of a rusty padlock - and the thing still went!

And before some more "rosetinted" comments are posted, I've driven a lot of cars, been in a lot of cars and seen a lot of cars in my life and I know there is better than the MR2, but a Scooby aint it.

R.

[nightSpirit]

That's a more eloquent way of putting my comment I think...

Nothing wrong with em though, each to their own at the end of the day...I'd have a Lotus Carlton or an Escort Cossie and I bet many a person could poke fun at them till they ran out of breath lol.

[Scotster]

Mmmmmm cosworth.

I would so love to have one of those cars. Best thing ford ever did was to let someone else build the engine lol. Most of the problems with those cars were covered there along with the longer chassi and anti corrosion panels.

Only problem i ever heard on them standard was the suspension. Its meant to be absolutely terrible. Very easy to cure but personally if i got one i would want to keep it standard.

Just a car lovers car IMO, the ford badge doesn't do it any favours but the cosworth one certainly does

Scott =op

[paulmann]

Great thread really. Good old car fightin..

Both cars are great in their own way. Be it AWD or RWD, 4 doors 2 doors. 5 seats 2 seats. Front engined, mid engined.

Both cars are quick...but ones better at the friday big shop thats all.

[rev3gt]

The whole discussion is based on the fact that a scooby aint faster than a 2.

Its quite a bit faster to 60 but the quarter times for a standard scooby is 0.2 seconds faster than a standard 220bhp rev2 (depending who's driving of course) That makes them pretty slow once they are off the line considering.

Turn up the PSI on the 2, get a decen't launch and over the quarter the Scoob will be beat.

Personally i've never raced one off the line, its always been 50 plus which is probably where the 2 comes into its own, and i have never had one even close to giving me a race. My 2 is also way quicker than what my evo was although that thing was mental off the line, but after 50.. again.. its no contest.

Scott =op

Its a shame you feel the need to keep saying these things when they are obviously not true we have argued to death mr2 vs impreza and listend to someone who owned both jdm wrx and rev3 turbo say the impreza (standard was quicker in every way) in another thread.
To be Fair we must compare jdm to jdm and in doing this there is a very clear winner.

As soon as you add rain , ice or corners in to the equation the gap between these cars will become greater.

I also read a comment about imprezas being fragile on this thread. unfortunatly there are too many old ones about in the wrong hands being run on 95 ron suffering years of neglect that give them a bad name when in reality if looked after they are very reliable and take alot of abuse.
The rally winning design awd and boxer engine is legendary with outstading grip and power and looked after properly and run on proper fuel or mapped to uk fuel imo they are as strong as anything else.

They are in a different legue of performance to a mr2 but as i said earlier they are both good at what they do.

[luthor1]

Scooby has a stiffer chassis, better suspension design, better weight distribution, has enjoyed far more motorsport success, is equally tuneable, enjoys better traction. It is a "better" car. It even has more space available. Since I have little experience of the "shape change" scoobies, I can only really talk about the classic shape (up to MY2000) and this shape scooby only weighs 1265. Try putting that in performance predictor with 300bhp.

Looks are personal and don't count for the better/worse conversation, and T-bar is model specific.

It's tricky to compare the 2 cars since there are so many comparisons, but here is throwing down the gauntlet to a daily drive-able Scooby...

http://www.ctgltd.co.uk/news.php?id=70& ... +the+world!

[Rikki]

I would so love to have one of those cars. Best thing ford ever did was to let someone else build the engine lol.

Its a Transit van engine BTW

[Rikki]

I also read a comment about imprezas being fragile on this thread. unfortunatly there are too many old ones about in the wrong hands being run on 95 ron suffering years of neglect that give them a bad name when in reality if looked after they are very reliable and take alot of abuse.
The rally winning design awd and boxer engine is legendary with outstading grip and power and looked after properly and run on proper fuel or mapped to uk fuel imo they are as strong as anything else.

Not according to people in the tuning industry. For instance adding a downpipe and decat to any Scoob (yup even an 06 plate) will add the need for an upgraded fuel pump to keep things in check right away. Bear in mind rally spec engines as blue printed, serve minimal hours in race condition and are stripped down on a near daily basis so cant be compared to an on the road version (even in 22B or P1 spec). I'd hazard a guess that even a stock 3SGTE pitted against an EJ20 would have the Scoob engine popping sharp bits out the block well before the Toyota.

This thread could go on for days LOL

R.