ATS TD06

[Andy Conroy]

But you then need an Adaptor made up to fit to the existing Manifold, then a Downpipe made up. Then possibly an External wastegate.

For a complete WORKING package its good money!

Agreed and its a working proven kit with BIG horsepower potential and a street power delivery... theres not allot that would keep up with a potenial 400rwhp at 25psi is there

[Quigonjay]

But you then need an Adaptor made up to fit to the existing Manifold, then a Downpipe made up. Then possibly an External wastegate.

For a complete WORKING package its good money!

not when you through full race kits in to the mix (mr2 kits are not yet listed on the site but are comparable to these honda kits specwise)
http://www.full-race.com/catalog/index. ... =24_143_44

mr2 prices as follows -

3SGTE Turbo Kits --

Kits are AC compatible, and include everything except for the fuel system. We STRONGLY recommend using a MAP based fuel system, as we have not tried to use the stock fuel system and do not know if it will work.

Applications for both gen2 and gen3 3SGTE engines in the SW20 chassis. Pricing is as follows:

Stage 1 ProStreet T3/T04E 420 whp $3,764
Stage 2 ProStreet T3/60-1 510 whp $3,844
Stage 3 ProStreet T3/T67 50 whp $4,079
Stage 4 ProStreet T4/T67 670 whp $4,134

Stage 1 GT ProStreet GT28RS/GT2871R 400 whp $4,190
Stage 2 GT ProStreet GT3037 450 whp $4,374
Stage 3 GT ProStreet GT35R 600 whp $4,419
Stage 4 GT ProStreet GT40R 700 whp $5,095

so for there lowest price kit (only $1450/£820 on top of the ats kit) you get a similar turbo, everything in the ats kit + uprated intercooler + exhaust manifold

[JekylandHyde]

maybe its just me but $2300 seems like a lot of money for those kits when you can get a t3/t4 for $620, surely the rest of the kit wouldnt cost $1700 to put together yourself?

My original T3T4 kit was over $2100.

[Peter Gidden]

so for their lowest price kit (only $1450/£820 on top of the ats kit) you get a similar turbo, everything in the ats kit + uprated intercooler + exhaust manifold

Stock exhaust manifold is well proven to 500BHP, so is an unecessary piece of bling.

As for intercoolers, i'd be interested to see a wothwhile uprated one that installs in the engine bay. I think it's fairly well accepted that charge coolers are the way to go, so that extra wouldn't interest me either.

£820 now sound a lot of extra dosh!



ATS Racing are a proven source - reliable, top reputation, with a solid technical approach to their products, as well as an A1 customer attitude.

Those points alone would and have steered me towards such a company, and TBH price is not everything in this world.

I have spoken to Ken on several occasions and feel totally confident in him, his company and his products.

At the end of the day the world is full of choices.......

[DannyW]

Peter, you see my earlier post? ^

PM me a price if you want.

[Rikki]

How long do ATS take to respond to emails, I sent one at the end of last week.

[dj_davo]

on this subject, what else in involved when putting on an aftermarket turbo.
does your ecu see it differently or would it still limit boost to the ct26 spec?

do you need to still fit an FCD, and grainger valve to allow the higher boost these things can run?

has anyone fitted anything like this without changing the headgasket, fuel pump etc?

[JekylandHyde]

You can install a TD06 and run it on the factory computer up to 14 psi with no worries about fuel. Above 14 psi, you really should start thinking about fuel mods.

The factory ECU sets fuel cut based on what the MAP sensor sees.
All the map sensor on the Gen2 engines does is control the OEM boost gauge (which is worthless) and fuel cut. If you cork the vac line to the MAP sensor you will have no more fuel cut and you will stop the OEM gauge from working. The only reason to get an FCD is if you want to raise the fuel cut point.

The TD06's boost level will be determined by the wastegate spring.
If you want more boost than it will allow, then you need some sort of boost controller (EBC, MBC or the grainger valves)

You will not need to change the headgasket or fuel pump.
I am running over 400 rwhp on the OEM headgasket (not recommended that high) and I did not swap out the fuel pump until I was over 300 rwhp.
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[MR2lover]

What about these turbo kits

http://www.importperformanceparts.net/i ... u-toy.html

Look good

[Cliff]

I have a TD06 kit arriving here in a few days to fit to a customer's car..

How much did you manage to source this for Peter?

Also, was it the current TD06 20G eith external wastegate?

Cheers

Cliff
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[liberty]

Bigger turbo's at the same PSI as smaller turbos will give you more BHP due to increased air flow right? bigger turbines etc.

Therefore, how will the standard ECU be able to cope with the increased airflow? If used on a rev 2, will the AFM work properly? I wouldn't have thought that the stock ECU would be able to match the airflow of a 20g turbo at 14psi.

[liberty]

Bit stumped at this...

"At 15 psi we typically see a 70 horsepower gain over the stock CT26. Dyno results shown here are on a near stock MR2 with stock exhaust, stock intercooler, etc."

Taken from - http://www.atsracing.net/ats_racing_td0 ... er_kit.htm

Does that mean that at 1 bar, the HP from the TD06 will be 70 more??? Or is that 70 more than the stock boost?

It does say that you can in theory run this turbo at 15 psi on a near stock MR2, which I would assume means without touching anything else.

[JekylandHyde]

Therefore, how will the standard ECU be able to cope with the increased airflow? If used on a rev 2, will the AFM work properly? I wouldn't have thought that the stock ECU would be able to match the airflow of a 20g turbo at 14psi.

I've run a TD06 on my first 3 MR2s with the AFM and no issues.
Many, many other people have as well. I also ran my T3T4 with the AFM with no issues either.

The stock ECU/AFM can give fine results up to around 300 rwhp,
but you should have more fueling by 275 rwhp.

http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records/drag12.htm
Fabio Vlacci 12.4 @ 107 mph TD06 @ 14 psi
(There is a video of the run on that page).

He also races in the hill climbs with that car:
http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records/hillclimb.htm

Stock computer and AFM.

[liberty]

So that is stock engine, not even a fuel management? What kinda RWHP is 14psi on a TD06 going to give?

[JekylandHyde]

"At 15 psi we typically see a 70 horsepower gain over the stock CT26. Dyno results shown here are on a near stock MR2 with stock exhaust, stock intercooler, etc."

If you look at the records pages:
http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records/dyno.htm
The CT26 @ 15 psi si goiong to give 205-220 rwhp
The TD06 @ 15 psi could go from 270-300 rwhp

It does say that you can in theory run this turbo at 15 psi on a near stock MR2, which I would assume means without touching anything else.

I would not recommend running a TDo6 without intake, exhaust and upgraded intercooler.

Water injection is also a great idea for a modified turbo car.

[JekylandHyde]

So that is stock engine, not even a fuel management? What kinda RWHP is 14psi on a TD06 going to give?

That is a rebuilt stock engine.

He has an adjustable fuel pressure regulator on that car but he would be better off without it

[liberty]

Cheers mate. Appreciate the info!

I think I'm going to go down the hybrid CT26 route with the GT4 charge cooler. Well for now anyway! Oh and one of those downpipes of your mate on the US OC.

[vipernet55]

Therefore, how will the standard ECU be able to cope with the increased airflow? If used on a rev 2, will the AFM work properly? I wouldn't have thought that the stock ECU would be able to match the airflow of a 20g turbo at 14psi.

I've run a TD06 on my first 3 MR2s with the AFM and no issues.
Many, many other people have as well. I also ran my T3T4 with the AFM with no issues either.

The stock ECU/AFM can give fine results up to around 300 rwhp,
but you should have more fueling by 275 rwhp.

http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records/drag12.htm
Fabio Vlacci 12.4 @ 107 mph TD06 @ 14 psi
(There is a video of the run on that page).

He also races in the hill climbs with that car:
http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records/hillclimb.htm

Stock computer and AFM.

First of all thanks for your time and effort in providing us all with this info, its good to hear from somebody with alot of experience in these sort of things.

Secondly, I'm awaiting my TD06 turbo kit any second now! But I am worried about my fueling issue. I've got a greddy emanage and a capable mapper, but like you indicate I'm gonna run out fuel about 275rwhp on my pitiful rev2 injectors. Would I be ok just getting rev3 ones or should I go higher?

[JekylandHyde]

The last generation of the Toyota Supra had a 550 cc injector which directly drop into our set ups. That is the easiest/cheapest route to upgrade from the pitiful 440 cc stock injectors.

I have no knowledge/experience on the Rev3s.

The 550s should safely get you to 320 rwhp or so if system is healthy and properly set up.

[twistywizard]

The 540/550cc I can never remember what size injectors from a Rev 3 MR2 Turbo drop straight into the Rev 3 fuel rail

As they can be used on a Rev 3 Conversion!

Typically second hand they run at around £80-120