RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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mr2mk1chick
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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DannyW wrote:cool! i've seen the printouts that their RR produces and it certainly looks good enough for what we want, although he didn't seem to know how the Flywheel HP figure was calculated when i quizzed him about it, either way i'm not too bothered to be honest.

Any more ideas on a possible date?


I will start to look at dates seriously after my santa pod day i am organising (are you all coming?!!!)
Then can put better effort in :D
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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mr2mk1chick wrote: (are you all coming?!!!)


Yes, myself, Dangerous Dave and my other half will be convoying down in our own little 3 car line-up :D
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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DannyW wrote:
mr2mk1chick wrote: (are you all coming?!!!)


Yes, myself, Dangerous Dave and my other half will be convoying down in our own little 3 car line-up :D


cool! catch up with our little convoy fron LFE just north of the M69/M1 jnc tho'
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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I'll come if it's nobles definetly and could bring others if numbers are needed.Never heard of street-racers?Stick to tried and trusted i say.
By the way i'd be bringing my 350bhp audi s3.
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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ryan_s3 wrote:I'll come if it's nobles definetly and could bring others if numbers are needed.Never heard of street-racers?Stick to tried and trusted i say.
By the way i'd be bringing my 350bhp audi s3.


not exactly in leicester though are they? didn't particularly like the figures seen at Nobles last time, what with their guestimate flywheel power calculation. Rather get power figures at the wheels like Streetracers can do.
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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jonno wrote:
We have used Nobles in the past for a "Midlands" RR day

In Chesterfield? Do they quote you an equivalent flywheel figure or do they just quote real rwhp? If they guestimate flywheel bhp, what kind of percentage losses are they talking?

If it's a feasible loss I may come.
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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Icsunonove wrote:
jonno wrote:
We have used Nobles in the past for a "Midlands" RR day


In Chesterfield?


yes
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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Sorry Danny, please see edited post above....
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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they guestimate flywheel figures by using a coast-down. they don't use a percentage loss and they don't give at the wheels figures that's why i would rather try somewhere different, and also they are quite expensive.
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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Danny, "coast down" is nonsense. It doesn't work. Please believe me 'cos my final year project was involved with this. The only reliable figure is rwhp.

If they don't quote rwhp I'm not interested at all.

I agree with you totally, this ain't the place to go.
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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then we agree my friend.
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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You're not wrong there! :D

14 -20 % losses are feasible for a 2 wheel drive transverse gearbox.

20% is just about feasible if your gearbox and final drive is really knackered!

Anything over that is pure nonsense!

I've seen loads of places quoting 30% losses! It's utter nonsense but it appears loads of people believe it! ](*,)
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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Icsunonove wrote:You're not wrong there! :D

14 -20 % losses are feasible for a 2 wheel drive transverse gearbox.

20% is just about feasible if your gearbox and final drive is really knackered!

Anything over that is pure nonsense!

I've seen loads of places quoting 30% losses! It's utter nonsense but it appears loads of people believe it! ](*,)


indeed, and the place that Jo has suggested will do us, percentage guestimate, coast-down or ATW figures so everyone's a winner! \:D/
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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have you got a date - i would be very interested if im not working!
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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Ok, I've already ranted too much :oops:

If my car is ready, I'll come. If not I won't. :-#
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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not yet, i'm sure Jo will keep us posted, should be some time in Nov/Dec by the looks of it.
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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:-#
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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Like most places these days, Nobles use TAT software which uses coast down loses to estimate drivetrain losses, its not perfect but its better than a % guess. Anyone with a GCSE in physics ought to figure out that straight % loss calculations are a waste of time. From what I can gather the coast down losses offer an empiracle alternative which seems to be pretty acurate. Conversely working with wheel figures only, seems to provide a huge variation in power figures for the same car, on the same day as things like the tyres, and transmission warm up for example. Even though the engine is still making the same, or usually less power on each succesive run.

Interestingly enough the TAT software will allow you to plot pretty much anything you like, so if you asked they could plot rwhp instead, however most decent dyno centers that have bothered to invest in TAT software will present you with a fwbhp figure from the losses. Its your money, its your choice.

Having spent more time on dyno's than most, I usually like to see both.

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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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:-#

:study: http://www.dynamometer.fsnet.co.uk/powe ... el-BHP.htm

:study: http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/coastdwn.htm

And Jonno, please, please, please can I go to a trackday with you as a passenger? I found a really unfeasible excuse to go and look at your car at Bri's Powerhouse place when I knew it was there after you bursted a cylinder liner. I like it! 8)

In fact can't tempt you to this, can I? Click on my thread below:
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic. ... 65&start=0

How much boost, horsepower (rwhp) are you running now?

( :oops: Sorry Jo, I've hi-jacked your thread! - will get back on topic soon)
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Re: RR Day, Leicester, **Sun 20th Nov**

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I think as a leading uk tuner nobles could give you whp if you wanted!!!!
What sort of dyno is street-racers?
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