BBS Golf wheels?

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dylbie
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BBS Golf wheels?

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Evening all,

I've been looking at replacing my worn out TSW Heat alloys with some BBS multi-spoke type alloys. Mk2 Golf BBS wheels are 4x100 but I can't seem to find a definitive offset value.

Does anyone know if they'll fit the Mk1? Or know of any other similar styles that will fit? I'm on a fairly tight budget due to other projects so I'm ideally looking at ebay for a set with tyres.

If I can't find any I do also like the idea of Mk3 wheels as they're fairly similar to my TSWs.

Cheers
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E30 BMWs were 4x100 and I believe the BBS wheels off those are a good fit, often used by the mk1 racers as they give about the best combination of cheapness/lightness in the correct size (the race series only allows wheels equivalent to the standard dimensions to be used)
dylbie
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Re: BBS Golf wheels?

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Ok I've just picked up some Lenso BSX alloys and tyres for a bargain. They look awesome but my original wheel nuts are too long and I now can fit the centre pieces on!

Can anyone recommend some short ones, or will any nut of the same size do?
dylbie
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Re: BBS Golf wheels?

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Ok I've just picked up some Lenso BSX alloys and tyres for a bargain. They look awesome but my original wheel nuts are too long and I now can fit the centre pieces on!

Can anyone recommend some short ones, or will any nut of the same size do?
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Mk3 nuts are same fitting & shorter

Often some for sale on the Bay
Ryan6926
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It doesn't matter now as you've got aftermarket wheels so you'll be safe but I believe the centre bore on VW wheels is 56.1 so you'd need the centres machined out :-)

Just a heads up
dylbie
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Re: BBS Golf wheels?

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Not thought about centre bores but luckily they fit ok :)

Just need to find some suitable nuts now. I wonder if I take the old ones into a fabrication engineer they'll have something that would work, as they'll still need to be tapered.
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Post by Ryan6926 »

If you've got aftermarket wheels they'll need spigot rings, You'll also need tapered wheel nuts,

Whatever you do if you buy aftermarket wheel nuts DO NOT buy D1 spec nuts, I've seen more than one set shear and cause a fair amount of damage :(
dylbie
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Re: BBS Golf wheels?

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Thanks Ryan. Will I definitely need spigot rings? The wheels I replaced were aftermarket TSWs and didn't have them as far as I know. These ones seem to fit ok and I've taken it for a quick test ride and it all feels fine.

I ended up getting wheel nuts from eBay as they are the same thread size and depth just a little shorter. They're not Toyota specific though so knowing my luck I'll probably have to send them back! #-o
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Post by Ryan6926 »

No worries mate, I'd suspect that being Lenso's the Centre bore would be 73.1 which is a fair bit higher than the Toyota one, I don't know if the Mk1 centre bore is 6031 or 5431 so perhaps a kind soul could confirm, I'd definitely be putting spigot rings on as if you don't the wheel will move around whilst rotating which puts more stress on the wheel studs. They're only around 5 quid anyway so no great expense just to be on the safe side.

Regarding wheel bolts, I'd imagine most aftermarket bolts would be the same but obviously I don't know for sure that this is the case, I've had so many sets of alloys before I really should know haha.

Hope you get it all sorted soon :-)
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Re: BBS Golf wheels?

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Spigot rings provide 2 functions, the first is to ensure accurate wheel centering. If you're using tapered nuts this isn't so important as the taper of the nuts will perform the same function. If you are using flat wheel nuts it's more important.

The second is function is that the weight of the car is intended to be taken up by the seating of the wheel on the protrusion of the hub. Without spigot rings this load can't be transferred and the load is instead taken by the wheel studs. Although many people will report that they run like this with no problems it's not as designed and you really ought to use spigot rings for this reason if you want to do things properly.
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Re: BBS Golf wheels?

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Thanks guys!

@ Ryan. The Lenso wheels centre bore is indeed 73mm and the MR2 is only 54mm. Annoyingly the spigot rings on the Lenso's were for a VW and were only 3mm out, but that's quite a significant distance in the engineering world so I've ordered some new ones in the correct size. The last thing I want is for the studs to shear and having a potentially massive accident! On looking at both the old and new wheels, both actually have spigot rings. I'd never even noticed them before!

@kaiowas. Thanks for the info. It was this that actually made me get the correct rings! I really don't wanna face turning my MR2 into a 3 wheeler and then a write off! And thanks for the earlier advice about the E30 wheels. I'm desperate to get into MR2 racing, whether it be destroying my pride and joy and turning that into a race car, or buying one already done! As soon as my kids are grown up, my wife had divorced me, and my mortgage company decides to be kind and let me have my house for free, I'll be straight on it! Speaking of which, with regard to my virtual MR2 for rFactor, which is the biggest Mk1 MR2 racing series in the UK right now? I need to sign up to their forums and get some good pics of all the cars so I can paint them up. Kaiowas, do you still have your black and orange beast? I remember years ago you showing interest, so your car will be the first to be painted! :thumleft:
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