toe control rod/arm

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toe control rod/arm

Post by windsurferluke »

I have noticed that the near side rear toe control arm on my budget mk1B is slightly bent!

upon calling fensport and searching around on the web, it seems like second hand replacements are hard to come by.

I have had a (some may disaprove) bash at straightening the rod using leaver but its still very slightly bent.

How much difference will it make to the handling, tyre wear etc.

Dont really want to spend £££ at the moment...

Many thanks
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Post by jrleech »

Do you mean this one?
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If so, Sports Toyota Breakers (on IMOC) have some, as I'm just buying one and they've got a few. Not expensive (esp. compared with new :shock:)
http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/profile.ph ... ile&u=5455

Cheers,
Jon
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Post by Sports Toyota Breakers »

Prob means the rear arm, Jon? Ie, top right of the picture. I have a whole bunch of these but are very rarely still adjustable due to corrosion.
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Post by windsurferluke »

Thats it, top right 48730 B/C.

Ill give you a call in a tick.

Thanks guys.
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They don't seem too badly priced from Mr T, around £50 each..., I've got 2 on order.

Not got them yet, so I might end up with just a small piece of it, but from the name (Arm Assembly, Rear Suspension No.2) it implies it's the complete assembly.
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Post by Sports Toyota Breakers »

I'd be interested to know that one too, my understanding was that the complete assembly (ie all three parts) was crazy expensive....if it's 'only' £50 a side, that makes more sense than buying used (on this occasion!).

Luke, drop me a PM if you like, the business mobile is nearly ready for the bin (landline finally on its' way). I would suggest looking out to see what Jon gets from Mr T first though.

Jon @ STB
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Sorry Jon, didn't mean to do you out of a sale!

I remember people saying they were silly expensive, but the description seems to add up. Might be a week or 2 before I get them as Jeff is trying to get a good discount on them and it takes a bit more time....
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Post by windsurferluke »

Right then, My wife works for my local Mr T dearler so I'll get her to find out what's included and for how much tomorrow, however they have yet to get any of the parts I have ever ordered from them right ](*,)

I'll print off the illustration posted earlier in the thread and circle the parts I want, surly they cant get in wrong then.... :pray: can they. :neutral:

I'll contact you tomorrow Jon.
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Post by jrleech »

These are spec'd as for 88/04 to 89/12, so Mk1b.

Better pic of that arm...
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Part No's:
48730A - 48709-17020 - Arm Assy, Rear Suspension No.2
48730D - 45466-22010 - Clamp, Tie Rod End (x2)
48730C - 45465-12020 - Tube, Tie Rod Adjusting
48730B - 45046-19185 - End Sub-Assy, Tie Rod

plus the nuts and bolts...

Looking at it now, I'll probably just get one bit and will need to get all the other bits too!!

Oh well, thought it was too cheap to be true #-o
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Post by Soupasam »

Well I think I'm going to need to get mine replaced as well now. My brother was going to sort out the alignment for me today, but my arms are fused as well :(

How much is a set likely to cost me with bolts etc. Can I avoid using Mr.T as my local one keeps giving me stupid quotes....(over £400 for decals :shock: )

Cheers!
toenee

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Post by toenee »

I have just ordered two of the tubes including the clamps, total cost after a bit of haggling ended up at about £38 for the pair.

I intend to cut the old tube off and use the two end joints, they seem in good condition.
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£50 each from Toyota, or £125 delivered for a far superior version from Twos'R'Us. id rather have the "aftermarket" version. its a lot easier to adjust and a lot more hard wearing. and if one side is gone, its a fairly safe bet that the other side has seen much better days
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Is the TwosRus one more hard wearing? Toyota ones last for 10+ years, and only seize up if they've been neglected. Aftermarket ones without dust seals etc.. I can't see lasting nearly as long.

Same for drop links....
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we use spherical bearings on our Ohlins dampers and they survive a lot worse than any UK road could throw at them lol. if your concerned about protecting them from dirt then simply put a sleeve over them, it wouldnt be hard

im not sure if theyre harder wearing, but id rather have the superior adjustment. horses for courses, if youre just going to have them set once and leave them then it might be better to go for genuine Toyota items
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The only benefit I see from the TwosRus one is easier adjustment, not superior adjustment. They're both doing the same job, and both can only be changed in length.

The TwosRus one doesn't have the bushing at the inner end... Depends on the application I suppose, I'd sooner retain as much comfort as possible :)

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tie rods wont affect the comfort much. a negligible amount of vibration. they will keep a much firmer control of the rear toes though having a bearing rather than a bush, so id regard them as superior for performance

the adjustment is easier to make, which IMO makes it superior, although as you said, you can only make the same adjustments. having a hex bar though is loads easier than the Toyota setup where you need to use a pair of mole grips on the sleeve. this is liable to be seized back up after a few years on British roads too, even with copper slip. youd be best to fit some rubber sleeves over the Toyota rods IMO

its a £25 difference either way. personally id go for the aftermarket option (im not going to though, im going to make my own based on those, but with even better adjustment and higher quality rod ends and no ball joint), but its depends on what you want from them :)
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Folks

Check this link out and save yourself some cash and hassle. Have them on mine and work a treat.

http://forums.twobrutal.com/showthread. ... and+thread
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Hi David, I'm having a bit of trouble sourcing one of those BMW ball joints, I've tried my local motor factors but I've still got a few more to try yet. Also tried German Swedish French but they cant supply them either. Just wondering where yours came from?

Cheers

Andy
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£50 each from Toyota, or £125 delivered for a far superior version from Twos'R'Us. id rather have the "aftermarket" version. its a lot easier to adjust and a lot more hard wearing. and if one side is gone, its a fairly safe bet that the other side has seen much better days


Sorry to bring up an old thread but I'm looking at rear tie arms at the moment. The twosrus price seems to be $175 + $144 postage comes in at way over £125.

How did you get them for £125 Jim or have they gone up in price recently?


***EDIT***
Scrub that, twosrus.co.uk have them (for £125). Shame mode!
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OK, so they're certainly NOT £50 a side :shock:

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Part No's:
48730A - 48709-17020 - Arm Assy, Rear Suspension No.2 - £61.97
48730D - 45466-22010 - Clamp, Tie Rod End (x2) - £2.86 each
48730C - 45465-12020 - Tube, Tie Rod Adjusting - £13.00
48730B - 45046-19185 - End Sub-Assy, Tie Rod - £49.16
- 90170-08125 - Nut (x2) - £1.28 each
- 90101-08265 - Bolt (x2) - £2.70 each

So, comes to £137.81 each (prices at Toyota list). Ouch!!
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