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Simarshy
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Do You Heel and Toe

Post by Simarshy »

Before I had the Mr2, heel and toeing was one driving technique which eluded me. Everytime I'd watch racing video's especially the best motoring series, I knew it was a step I’d have to learn in order to improve my driving style.

I actually tired to teach myself, by just blipping the throttle on downshifts, which I became fairly proficient at. This was as fair was it went for a few months, until I entered a lap time competition with EVO magazine. The idea was to drive a Caterham around one of the small circuits at Bedford, and the top few from each group go threw to win fabulous prices. When it came to my turn for the run, things didn’t go so well hehe. Everytime I came to a corner I’d shift into a lower gear, lock up the rear wheels momentarily and unbalancing the car which caused all sorts of slidy problems!.

Well after that I knew what I had to do ;). The Mr2's pedals are remarkably well setup for heel and toe, (well more like the side of your foot), but the biggest factor holding me back was fear I may not keep breaking if I tried :). So one day approaching a road about, I thought what’s the worse that can happen and gave it a go. I slowed down to around 40, made sure I had a looonnnng breaking distance and started. Breaking like normal ok all is good .... moved the heel of my foot to the right, and tried to push down on the accelerator and ...... woooooo ended up pushing the break a lot harder and doing the slightest of engine blips, oh yes I was pleased :D, bit shock up from the jolt but pleased. I continued with these practises forcing myself to try it once or twice everyday until I got it. Nowdays I can't help but do it all the time, no matter what I’m driving :)

So back to the poll jobby. I was wondering how many of us out there actually heel and toe and what your opinions are on it.
I recon you can't really drive the mr2 hard, especial around the track without (unbalanced the car far to much), plus it does sound pretty cool, and it good for ya drive train ;)

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havent learnt it propely yet, but i've been trying :P
does seem to balance the car better when you get it right though :wink:
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I've been heel and toeing for around 6 years or so now..

If its any help i wrote an article on 'How to heel and toe' a few years ago. I've had it published in various magazines worldwide:

Heel and Toeing
Driving Techniques 2: Heel and Toeing

When driving on-track and equally on the road there are always tips and tricks you can learn. Often mentioned but not always well understood is that of heel and toeing. Before I explain what it is I am going to mention the benefits and the reasons behind it. This technique is aimed at keeping the car on the smoothest possible transition from braking before the corner onto corner entry. It’s main aim is to help maintain the balance of the car whilst simultaneously allowing maximum braking.

What heel and toeing is, is essentially a ‘blip’ of the throttle to match engine revs whilst changing down a gear and braking. All at the same time of course! Sounds difficult, but with a bit of practice, not only do you get round corners more quickly, but you are also much kinder to your car’s gearbox, clutch and engine.

Probably the easiest way to explain it is to take you through a virtual corner. So here I am approaching Redgate at Donington. I’m in 4th gear at around 105mph or so. To take the corner I need to reduce my speed to 60mph and be in 3rd gear. I am still accelerating as I am approaching the corner. At the braking point I put the brakes on very hard to slow down in as short a time as possible. Now, timing is key to doing this well. As my speed drops just below 75mph I push the clutch down and change into 3rd. before I let the clutch up, I roll my right foot (which is still on the brake) and turn it slightly anti-clockwise to ‘blip’ the throttle. This sends the engine revs up and as I let the clutch out the engine speed matches the road speed in that gear. Next I turn-in to the corner and get back on the power easing the throttle on to balance the car for the exit of the corner. Two main advantages here; firstly the car hasn’t been unbalanced by me changing gear and braking. Secondly the net result is that I’m on the power earlier and everything is that much smoother.

So what happens if I don’t heel and toe? Well I enter the braking zone, brake hard, then as the speed drops I change down and as I let the clutch up the engine revs suddenly soar, which in turn unbalances the car as the rear goes light and I have to deal with all this before I turn into the corner!

A year ago at Bentwaters I experimented with not heel and toeing at a tight left hand corner. It was a second gear corner and I found that if I didn’t heel and toe I actually locked the rear wheels as the clutch came up!

So in effect when you heel and toe you are pressing the brake and accelerator at the same time. This is the trickiest bit by far, how to maintain consistent even braking and in the middle of it blip the throttle? As I described earlier, I like to roll the outside of my right foot onto the throttle. This is certainly the way to do it with the most feel. But if you have standard pedals then you may find they are too far apart to do this easily. I have a Sparco pedal set in my car for good reason and that is to put the accelerator and brake closer together so that I can roll my (narrow) feet more easily.

If I’m driving a friend’s car I use the ‘other’ way. Literally use the ball of your feet to press the brake and kick the accelerator with your heel. It’s less easy to keep a constant pressure on the brake doing it this way, but it gives the same results as rolling your foot. It may be less exact but it works just as well.

One of the best things about heel and toeing is that you can practice it every time you drive your car on the road. Please remember though that the first few times you try it make sure no-one is in front of you. Try it at slow speeds on a quiet road. Cruise along in 4th then try the technique going into 3rd. Better still simply sit in your car and look at your right foot on the brake pedal see how you can push the brake and hit the throttle as you do it. Make sure that your foot is in no danger of slipping off the brake. I was practising this a few years ago and tried it approaching a roundabout. I wasn’t going overly fast but my foot slipped right off the brake and I had to get on the brakes pretty quick to stop in time! So be careful!

Lastly, in order to help heel and toeing, think about getting a pedal set. You can buy a funky Sparco Aluminium set for under £20. Make sure it is a ‘bolt on’ set and not one that clamps over the existing pedals. What you need to do is to take the rubbers off the brake and clutch and drill through the remaining metal pedal. Then it’s a matter of bolting the pedal cover to the pedal. Make sure that the brake pedal cover is absolutely secure. You don’t want this to come loose! By law there is supposed to be 50mm between the brake and accelerator. It’s very much up to you if you keep to this. You’re unlikely to get prosecuted if they are closer than this distance and you would be pretty unlucky to fail an MOT because of it.

To heel and toe well and to drive well, you need to have the maximum feel through the pedals as possible. A lot of people drive in trainers and while this may be comfortable, because of the thickness of the sole it literally robs you of feel and feedback through the pedals. Okay the clutch isn’t all that important but the accelerator and brake certainly are. Try to wear as thin soled shoes as possible. Best is of course racing boots as they are designed solely for this purpose. They do cost, but in my opinion they are worth it. Expect to pay around £30 or so for ‘clubman style boots’. FIA approved nomex boots start around £60 plus.

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Copyright?

Yeah I heel and toe.. although as you say its more sole/sole nowadays. Its easy to learn and really improves your driving.. especially in the wet as you can keep the car extremely balanced (very good for those Rev1 owners) and those with LSD.

The idea is to correctly match the engine speed to the rear wheel speed. To get used to your gearbox first you want to find at what RPM the dog rings become synchronised. You can do this by trying to change up/down without using the clutch. Just pop the gear out and control the revs with the throttle and guide in the gear. Now you'll know whereabouts the gears engage without the clutch due to engine speed and rear wheel speed being the same. Learn these and then when you're heel and toeing you;ll know what kind of RPM you need to be at when you engage the gear.

Remember that when you're driving like this you only need the clutch to soften the gear change and not actually use it to change gear. So the clutch doesn't need to be depressed all the way down - and hence saves you tenths each gear change.
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Dave Goodhand wrote:Copyright?

Yeah I heel and toe.. although as you say its more sole/sole nowadays. Its easy to learn and really improves your driving.. especially in the wet as you can keep the car extremely balanced (very good for those Rev1 owners) and those with LSD.

The idea is to correctly match the engine speed to the rear wheel speed. To get used to your gearbox first you want to find at what RPM the dog rings become synchronised. You can do this by trying to change up/down without using the clutch. Just pop the gear out and control the revs with the throttle and guide in the gear. Now you'll know whereabouts the gears engage without the clutch due to engine speed and rear wheel speed being the same. Learn these and then when you're heel and toeing you;ll know what kind of RPM you need to be at when you engage the gear.

Remember that when you're driving like this you only need the clutch to soften the gear change and not actually use it to change gear. So the clutch doesn't need to be depressed all the way down - and hence saves you tenths each gear change.


Its copyright because its my article. I have had it reproduced in a few magazines in the US and Aus with my permission.
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yup, I heel and toe all the time :P
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Alas no,

I have an auto

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Yep me too. It is a very satisfying skill to learn and will def save on wear and tear on your clutch etc as meantioned.

I cant even imagine what it'd be like to not use heel and toe on a race track?!!? I also used this technique when riding motorbikes - you really dont want the back end sliding on the entrance to corners! (unless your messing about/showing off)
I have to say that the mr2 is also the first car that heel and toe is vaguely possible. If the brake pedal is lower than accelatrator then its real difficult ](*,)
I found that first practicing when stationary helped - press brake and start blipping away, after a short time you will get a little more comfortable - then i moved on to trying on the move. practice p[ractice pratice is the key really. Note: pick "safe" areas and circumstances to learn the skill :D
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Post by anna »

I have to heel and toe (and yes, it is very much like heel and toe for me as my feet just ain't wide enough to do it side to side), because with our current map the car will stall if you don't...

Huzzah!

Can't do it in the Focus tho, cos the throttle and brake pedals are in stupid places (the throttle is far too high)
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I've been doing this for a while now, but i notice i seem to use a fair bit more fuel doing it? Maybe it's just me??
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I've been doing this for a while now, but i notice i seem to use a fair bit more fuel doing it? Maybe it's just me??


It certainly does make driving feel more racy. hence more revs and gearchanging :)
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Been learning this myself over the past few months, never tried it before I got my Mr2 because the pedals have always been that little bit to far apart in other cars and being left footed I always found that a bit of a stumbling block confidence wise (using the ball of my foot and heel to kick the throttle). Now I just use the rolling my foot onto the throttle method (much easier for me), and it makes so much difference to the way you enter a corner.

Need to go on a track day now to put my new skill to the test :twisted:
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Ok I can do this easy enough. ie moving my foot without braking harder.

But how is it supposed to "feel" when done correctly?

No lurch or jump forwards?

Done it a few times. Once there was a massive lurch and revs shot up lol, think I timed it well wrong.

Once the car shot forwards like a rocket! Too much of a blip? :shock:

And this morning nothing. Think I got it right. No lurch no high revs, no sudden acceleration, just seemed... well smoothe/natural.

Gonna have to find out the revs for each gear that allows you to select the gear without much clutch. Sounds like awesome knowledge and would be great driving skill to apply that knowledge.

That vid in the OT forum is great. Shows them H&Ting. Seems they litterally kick the throttle. How can you get the right revs just by kicking it like that. We they are proper racers, maybe they no how much of a kick to give :-k
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i tried earlier and nearly crashed lol not going try again :P
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i learned it in my '93 corolla, the first time i nearly crashed too, the braking was much harder and i almost bounced my head against the steering :mrgreen: :oops:

after some practicing on large parkinglots i got used to it more and more and its surprizing how much faster you can fly trough the twisties.

i've never tried it with the two yet but i'll be practicing with the 2 on that same parkinglot first to make sure i'm not crashing it.

i found the pedals in the 2 better placed for HT'ing then in my corolla so it might work wonders.
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ENSMR2 wrote:Ok
Once the car shot forwards like a rocket! Too much of a blip? :shock:



just to check, you are blipping the throttle once the clutch has been pressed arnt you? doesnt sound like it :-k
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quigonjay wrote:
ENSMR2 wrote:Ok
Once the car shot forwards like a rocket! Too much of a blip? :shock:



just to check, you are blipping the throttle once the clutch has been pressed arnt you? doesnt sound like it :-k


Yes I am,

I think the problem is I blip too hard? so when the clutch comes up the revs are way up in the rev range. Maybe need to adjust the blip and timing??
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ah, now i get you, yeh would have to say not matching the revs correctly, your changing down remember, not up :lol:
just try a smaller blip
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So how should it "feel" then when done correctly?? Like I said before? No lurch forwards or sudden slowing etc?

I really need for it to be described so I know what I am "feeling" for.
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well the way i understand it is when you are turning in of the brakes or off the throttle the weight of the car is either at the front or the rear of the car and the idea of bliping the throttle is to properly match the revs with the chosen gear to try and get the weight of the car central immediately before turn in, thus balancing the car and hopefully less under/oversteer.
please feel free to jump in anyone if i'm completely wrong :)
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