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Munters SC Restoration Thread *pic heavy*

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*edit have tried to post an update with pics/links to pics but wont let me - admin/mods could you help? thanks*

Hi,

New to the forum as I'm considering my first MR2. Loved them from the time they first hit the UK when I was 15 and now finally getting round to picking one up. Part for the drive, part for a little light project to get me out of the house!

I'm in Dundee, Scotland and have been offered a MK1 Supercharger by a mate thats selling. The car's been off the road for a year and a half in a garage and hasn't even been turned over for a year. I'm viewing this weekend and expect there could be a few issues (to say the least!) but am armed with the buyers checklist. I do know that there are some headline issues:

- A non-OEM exhaust of unknown origin which caused the failure of the last MOT due to being too loud. Seems my mate stuffed with steel wool to get it through the MOT :facepalm:

- Welding to the floor tray under the passenger seat where a roof leak caused rusting.

- One tyre flat, battery dead and other fairly minor issues

From the pics he sent me the body looks in very good condition and I'm not too concerned with the underside repair (seems the t-bar roof seals are a common problem) assuming its a one off issue thats been resolved. The engine I'm sure will be sound, unless a previous owner has trashed it which is possible... so anything else to be aware of? It's an auto gearbox so wondering if that in itself has any specific problems to be aware of?

As this is my first MK1 or MR2 for that matter I have a few other general questions:

- Anyone else from the forum from Scotland? Would be good to meet up with you if I do go through with the purchase.

- Are there any reputable indie garages in Tayside/Fife that come recommended and cheap? (I'm up for some light work myself but welding, engine rebuilds and electricals are way beyond my comfort level!)

- Who are good insurers? A quick quote on one of the price comparision sites came up as £8k fully comp!!! Ouch. What can I expect for someone in their 30's with 8 yrs NC for FC and 3P?

Many thanks!
M
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welcome to the forum :thumleft:

To help prevent spam you need 15 posts before you can link things. Have a look around and in off topic, you can do 15 in a day :wink:

Or try and pm me the link and i'll put them up

Insurance wise, don't bother with comparison websites. Try houghtons, sky, and classic car companies.
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munter wrote:
- Who are good insurers? A quick quote on one of the price comparision sites came up as £8k fully comp!!! Ouch. What can I expect for someone in their 30's with 8 yrs NC for FC and 3P?

Many thanks!
M

I have an SC and am paying £300 per year although a tad older :oops: as I have crept into my early 40's .
I have full No Claims on my daily driver and no convictions/accidents etc. Car is in secure car port and I live in a 'nice' area.

Your possible purchase sounds interesting......
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An SC should be an interesting car Munter

Nnot sure about an auto tho :?

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Thanks for the replies - the SC is indeed an interesting car as I found out today when I got to drive it over about 20 metres in an off road private courtyard!

The jury is still out on the auto box but the rest of the car seems pretty solid and in generally good condition when you consider its age.

I have a massive post typed up with links to lots of pics but can't post it until I have made more posts which sucks. Now that I have taken a decent first look at the car I'm keen to get the experts thoughts before I decide to make an opening offer (subject to MOT/full garage check etc)

Guess its back to the random threads to make random posts...

M

PS Looks like classic car insurance as a second car on my current insurance is going to be the best route forward. I've got Skoda insurance on my year old family Octavia but think it's just branded Skoda, think it's Allianz or someone that actually underwrites it.
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Hi Munter

Your just up the road from me and another member on here called Jimi :thumleft:

The SC may be an Auto but don't let that put you off it was reported that when the SC (auto) was released it was the fastest production car (auto only) in the world 0-30, something to do with little or no delay from when you push the loud pedal or something like the gearing probably, I have heard this several times over the years but never saw any proof

Good luck and oh go for it.

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So today I got a chance to take a look at the car for the first time and run through everything on the Nick Challoner list except the electrics as I ran out of time. Going back in a few days to finish it off.



In summary given this is a 25 year old car that has been SORN for close to two years I was pretty impressed. It’s no were near mint but seems solid all round and given my limited mechanic and body work skills looks to be pitched just right to give me a solid base to work from.

What I’d really appreciate is your general thoughts/concerns and an idea of what kind of price I should be looking to pay? I know that manual SC’s in good nick are going for around £2k and my big concern with the auto is the resale value should I ever decide to move it on.

Here’s my summary (sorry if it goes on a bit I had my phone with me so took plenty of pics!) of the state of the beast.



It’s a white Japanese import MR2 MK1b Supercharger 1997. Has 142,000 km on the clock (88,000 miles) Imported in 2005 with what appears to be 3 owners since import. No known mods except for a custom exhaust (more on that later)



To start with this is what she looked like two years ago before being SORNed:



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Note what looks to be a little bit of a lazy passenger side headlight, not quite aligned, crack to the front spoiler (speed bump damage?) and what looks like poorly aligned Supercharger decals to the driver side door – does this indicate respray at some stage or were these decals left off the original import?



What it looks like now:



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Bodywork

Generally looks good. Some small rust spots on the arches but pretty good. Sills rock solid and underside of the car looks clean. Front end especially very tidy. There is one repair to the passenger floor which has made a bit of a mess to the carpet under the seat. This was due to a t-bar roof leak. A fairly clean repair by the looks of it.



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Boot well floors solid. Some patches of rust but I don’t think anything to be concerned about.



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Arches

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Bonnet Peal



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Passenger floor weld repair

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Some small rust appearing where windscreen meets t-bar.



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Front spoiler looks like it hit a speed bump. Quite a bit of flaking in one area and a crack in another.



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Wing mirrors are badly corroded strangely given the state of the rest of the car and some of the black paint on the top of the A-pillar is coming away. Am I looking at new mirrors or can these be saved?



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There is some bad rust on the rear driver’s panel bracket where it attaches to the boot well.


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Underside, looks ok?



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Seals

Biggest obvious issue is that the t-bar roof is leaking badly. Given I’m in Scotland this is an issue. When it rains it can REALLY rain! Am I looking at new seals? It seems the passenger side problem has been fixed but concerned to find this paper towel on the driver’s side! Good news is the driver’s seat seems to have soaked all the water up and the drivers floor/foot well is fine.



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Interior

Generally very clean. Only real issue is a missing triangle plate on inside of passenger wing mirror (maybe a previous owner thought about changing the mirrors?) and of course the damaged carpet under the passenger seat. Some cracking 80’s rear speakers added from the B-pillars. No idea if they work.



As mentioned have to check all the electrics next time.

As a tall guy (6’4’’) it was really quite comfortable. Snug around the knees – it’s big centre console with a lot of plastic – but generally length wise plenty of room.



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Engine / Exhaust

Battery was dead, was once jump leads applied started first time. Idled nicely from cold but a little noisy from the supersized exhaust. Once it warmed up it really purred.



Didn’t have time to really spend too much time looking at this in detail will do so next time, but coolant and oil levels/condition looked fine and the engine was running smoothly all things considered. I took a YouTube video so will try and link to that later so you can hear it.



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The exhaust is a custom made effort in stainless steel which cost £120 a few years back from a garage in Aberdeen! It is big and noisy! Not sure I like it much but can live with it for now. Last MOT was failed because it was too noisy so mate had to stuff with steel wool and reduce diameter of one of the pipes using a reducing ring.



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Other stuff

Surprised if this car isn’t well known. Started off in the Borders (Kelso) before heading to Aberdeen where it got the custom exhaust, then Inverness before finally arriving in Dundee. There are spare plates in the boot indicating it had another registration previously. Doesn’t look like a cherished number so not sure why this would be the case – has the mark for WRC-SALES.COM which doesn’t seem to be live on the web anymore. Maybe the importer? My mate is none the wiser either. Cause for concern?



No radio. Couldn’t check electric ariel works. Cheap additional one stuck on where t-bar meets windscreen



Headlights – here’s that passenger side headlight again. Just misaligned or a sign of a potential bump?



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Links/steering rack – from the very short drive up and down the off street parking area I didn’t have any issues. Looks tidy under the car, but will need to check in more detail. Same goes for the shocks.



Brakes – rear right seemed to be sticking/grinding – probably a seized calliper. I’m expecting I’ll need to change all disks and pads.



Tyres – one flat and wrecked. All mixed. Will be expecting to change them all out.



Battery – going to take it out this week and charge. Hopefully it’s serviceable



Cam belt – changed at 93,000 km so probably ok. Thinking I’d like to do the pulley mod to get the extra juice if I go for this so will factor that in.



It’s SORN so I’m going to have to organise MOT and tax and agree a price reduction with my mate for this – it will also need a full service with oil/coolant/filter changes etc.



So what do you all think? Worth making an offer and if so roughly what do you think I should suggest?

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It looks like it may have had a small bump on that front corner at some point.

Thats also a non-std splitter (and quite rare).

T bars leak, its not all the seals have a read of this

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic. ... 86&start=0

The rust on the windscreen wil be need to be sorted and the fixed floorpan doesn't look treated so maybe worth a check and some underseal.

cost wise, if it had a full mot and working fine they sell at the moment for £2-£3.5k (ish) depending on condition and manual etc. maybe half that. its only worth what someone is willing to pay. :thumleft:
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Judging by your writeup & pics and what Chris said about the gearbox I'd definately have a go at it Munter

How about offering him a grand & see if he blinks :?: :)

Very interesting car I think now :thumleft:

Nothing too bad about it so far as I can see

It may have had a windscreen change. That seems to start the rusting at the top

Mine is worse there than that one appears to be

It may have had a re-spray at some time :? White gloss under peeled white gloss :?:

T-bar leaks are a common issue & solvable with time & patience

How about asking Chris or Jimi to go with you to see it :?:

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i like the exhaust :)
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pk_090 wrote:i like the exhaust :)
Alex


Hahahaha

Trust you Alex :)

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Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm going to go back and take another look in a few days to work through the electrics to make sure everything is ok. I'll be taking along my mate who knows far more about car mechanics and especially engines than I do to give it a second look.

I guess if all goes well I'll then make an offer which right now is going to be closer the £1k than £2k mark given everything that needs done. I do feel if it was taxed, MOT'd on the road with good brakes and tyres it would be worth pushing closer to £2k but I'll need to spend around £500 just to get it back on the road. Then it's still got to get a full service, the leaky T-bar needs dealt with, carpet to sort, underside to check and seal, sort all the small arch and windscreen rust and so on.

Oh and the cam pulley mod ;-) Is there a thread on here that details how to do this? I'll need help for sure... especially with the where the blanking plate goes. Man the engine bay in the supercharger is chocka full of pipes and cables... going to take a while to work out where everything goes!

In your opinions what should I be looking to tackle first once it's back on the road? The rust at the top between t-bar and windscreen is a concern but can it wait until next year? I dont want to pay to replace the windscreen just yet! I guess I can treat the visible rust to prevent it spreading too fast but the windscreen will need to come out to make sure I get it all.

I would like to tackle the obvious cosmetic things quickly as well like the chipped splitter (didn't realise it wasn't stock - I do really like it), corroded mirrors and windscreen pillars, general mess from removed vinyls, rust spots on arches, peeling bonnet paint etc.

Finally any recommendations for tyres and brakes? Seems a massive range from very cheap to very expensive. I'll not be on track so nippy road driving is my thing. Was looking at the Vredstein Sportracs. Have the Wintrac Extremes on my family estate and they are excellent.

Cheers and if anyone does want to come along next weekend to give me some expert opinion you'd be very welcome. I'd cover your petrol costs (from Scotland anyway!) and throw some beers in as well!

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ABV mod :thumleft:

You can do it bypassing hoses for a quick mod, but to make the most of it you ideally need an oversized pulley.

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i have vredsteins on the rear and arrowspeed on the front. Guy i bought it off proper cheeped out and i havent had the need to replace them yet as they have plenty of tread left despite my best efforts.

I cant really say they are bad for a budget tyre, but spend abit more money and it would be worth it!
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You can do the ABV mod, but it can lose you pressure. The only proper way to do it is to blank off the ABV. You don't need it anyway. Then you can fit a bigger crank pulley if you so wish.

The 'blanking plate' goes where the SC outlet meets the feed to the ABV. :+:

Good luck with it. I did drive Mark's auto some ten years ago, but I couldn't get on with it, though he liked it well enough, well until he got a manual anyway.

I'd say go for it, if you're sure you aren't going to be constantly thinking, 'I wish it was a manual' as otherwise it'll do your head in.

The autos were the quickest car 0-30mph at the time. Reason being is the great traction you get with a mid-engined setup and in the instant torque of the SC. It's great for traffic light GP's if that's your thing. ;)
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Bit old for traffic light GP's Lauren but get the feeling I'll get drawn into a few despite my best plans once the yoofs see/hear that exhaust :lol:

I certainly have the full blanking/oversized pulley mod towards the top of my list of things to do. Given I'll need to change the cam belt anyway might as well do it early on! The bhp to ££ ratio is very good...

\:D/

Doubt I'll be thinking about the manual version given I'll only have driven the auto. Actually have had my father in laws Saab 95 V6 convertible for a month over the winter and even though thats an auto once you get used to it you can have a lot of fun. The SC should be that x100 with the sound to match.

I'm planning to have a budget of £1000 over the cost of the car to do as much as I can assuming my mate isn't looking for funny money. For this I'll need to MOT, Tax, tyres, brakes, service and hopefully get the pulley mod done and buy a radio/new ariel... as well as seal the underside, start work on the rust and deal with anything that comes up on the MOT. I'm wondering what priorities should be?

Should I go for cheap/standardard OEM brake pads/discs and spend more on tyres as Alex suggests? Or go for something like the Vredsteins and better pads? Having never had a fast car before I assume the drilled discs are really only going to be noticably worthwhile if I'm either on track or driving like a madman?

Finally it's been 15 years since I last did any rust treatment/bodywork on my first car (a mark 1 Opel Kadett!) are there any links to latest techniques/products? Would like to sort the small rust myself and patch respray where possible.

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Paul, just use stock discs. There are various pad options, though tbh it's been a few years since I put pads in a MK1. We used to love the Pagid Fast Road pads but don't think are available.

But, in respect of braking, make sure the rear calipers are working 100% as they are a crap design that are prone to seizing.

Change the fluid to 5.1. New stock discs (pattern parts are fine) and upgraded pads and you'll be fine. :+:

Don't use drilled discs, they tend to crack.
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Hi Paul the rear calliper is possibly seizing (very common fault) , the wing mirrors are cast ally so just a need a rub down and repaint

Dont go mad buying new parts mate, I have lots and lots of bits including a manual SC gearbox if you want to punish yourself with a conversion :D

The plastic triangle behind the mirror in the car is a common fault to break, the tabs that hold it on, they are very difficult to remove without snapping them.

Good luck with it it looks well worth £1k and another £1k to sort out niggles and pulley mod, you will have a nice mk1.

I have probably thrown out a dozen of the those boot air intake system brackets, I almost certainly have some here.

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Lauren wrote:Paul, just use stock discs.

Don't use drilled discs, they tend to crack.


News to me

I have been using drilled and grooved discs for over a decade and yet have had any crack

Maybe you have been using sub standard parts :-k
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I used drilled discs before. Can't remember the make, was around ten years ago.

They can crack, mine seemed to have hairline cracks.

To be fair the stock discs are fine.
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