Pink to Red paintwork :)

[Nails]

that will last about a month.the reaon it fades is because it has been painted with solid colour (no clear coat) so nothing to protect the paint.the only way to do it properly is to use water base paints and laquer,will never fade.

So that means if you bought a red MR2 new, it would turn pink after a month?

It is the reason why they do turn pink eventually esp when they arent looked after, but you can help prevent it.

[honda_crf_04]

u probly can help prevent the paint from fading,but after all the years abuse from the british weather it will never last.its going to last longer than a month from new.

[toxo]

Surely it discolours through oxidisation once the lacquer has worn through? So taking the top layer of oxidised paint off and then reapplying a sealant should put it quite close to how it started off...

Anyhow Tiny, about these swirl marks on my bonnet...

[Nails]

u probly can help prevent the paint from fading,but after all the years abuse from the british weather it will never last.its going to last longer than a month from new.

Your confusing yourself here mate, first you say its because they have no laquar on them, which you are right and this does make red cars fade much more. Then you say it only lasts months after being cut but years after being fresh?

Red cars turn pink through a form of oxidation, thats why pink cars feel rough. If you cut the top surface off with a machine and proper cutting polish(not stuff like SRP and such that is full of fillers which fill the imperfections rather than cut the oxidation) then your car is red again until it oxides again, which will be sooner than later if you dont look after the paint. Keep it clean, keep it waxed, and even looking at where you leave it, is it in direct sunlight on one side all day every day, can you park it next to a wall or something to shade it(its the sunlight that turns it pink). If you did all that it would probs never turn pink again for years and years.

[Tiny]

In the past pre the Mid 1980s this was the case no Laquer just the final layer of paint highly polished and Waxed but this was directly exposed to the environment. Over time, sunlight and environmental pollutants damaged the surface and eventually faded the color.
However, in the 1980s, manufacturers began applying clearcoat paint over the final color layers. Clearcoat is a layer of paint without color pigment added—it is simply clear paint. The clearcoat adds high gloss while protecting the colored basecoat from scratching, chipping, and the effects of the environment.
When the Mr2 was in production this clearcoating process was still not fully perfected and is nowhere near as good as it is now. The Japanese specifically toyota have always been stingy with their paint to the point where i have often taken paint depth reading on Mr2s, Mk3 Supras and the like often seeing overall depths of 80-90microns and on cars which have been regularly T cutted and the like 65microns. You really do not have much to play with when it comes to Toyota paintwork.

The acryllic sealant i work with on aircraft/cars when two coats are applied adds up to 40microns of extra protection over the freshly cut paint work which coupled with regular waxing with a UV protection content every 2-3 months or so will last for a very long time.

I Hope this clears up the Myths and arguements

[honda_crf_04]

when the car is new it has fresh paint?so obviously its going to last a good few years,but once its faded and you polish it back up,give it a month or two and it will be back to the way it was.and the more you polish it,and look after it as you say,you will end up burning threw.
the only way to do it properly is get it waterbased and not tart it up.
hope i havent confused things any more

[Andytoyota]

But its only the top layer which has been oxidised in most cases so taking that layer off effectively brings out the 'fresh' paint underneath, this will still have been damaged to some point but not as much as the layer you've just taken off. Add the sealant over the top and it protects that new layer if looked after properly...........right?

[honda_crf_04]

not to sure but try it and if it lasts then all is good,saves geting it painted

[Tiny]

Honda-crf-04

Yes you are confusing things unnecessarily. When I first arrived after clay barring the car. I took paint depth measurements 90 being highest 68 being the lowest on a bird poo scar.

To try and keep everything even after the first pass I took more readings 90-84 so really had to be careful. Once the car had been restored to red pre sealing it was down to 76 at the high point and 52 in the lowest. A glaze Megs No7 was added to replace some of the lost oils and to remove any minute defects from the polishing stage.

Once sealed more readings were taken after the car was finished and the overall thickness was up to 88 and over the pird poo scar (which you can now only see by pressing your cheek onto the paint work 3 inches away and looking directly at it.) 64 was the depth there.

If this car goes pink with Andytoyota looking after it properly. Then ill be going back to do it again for free im that confident.

Edit: Spelling

[JOHNM400]

10 year paint sealant? Adds 40 microns?

Sorry Tiny,dont want to sound like im being off or arrogant but no chance. I have checked paint depth readings using allsorts of different products and none alter the thickness reading of the paint not even to 1 micron. If you have found one that does it must be paint in a bottle!

Also there is no sealant nor wax that will last 10 years. You state its an aircraft sealant well i have a sealant here that uses the same technology/chemicals that was developed for space shuttles/rockets (seriously) and if you get over 6 months from it then you are lucky.

I will post up some pics of my red car tomorrow (its late now). The only thing you need to maintain the red is a regular maintainence program and the correct choice of products. Ph Neutral shampoo is an absolute must to start with.

[nikaiyo]

Also there is no sealant nor wax that will last 10 years. You state its an aircraft sealant well i have a sealant here that uses the same technology/chemicals that was developed for space shuttles/rockets (seriously) and if you get over 6 months from it then you are lucky.

Just a point re aircraft/ space shuttle technologies, I would expect anything that is applied to the outside of a space shuttle would be designed to last for one use only as the out skin temp of a shuttle reaches 3000F on re-entry! In addition all the outer thermal protective panels are used only once. IIRC the space shuttle never flys in the wet!!

A commercial aircraft is designed to be used day in day out in a fairly harsh environment, often in serious rain, flying through dust etc and the exterior protection applied to most jets lasts a very very long time. I am sure our old Falcon 900 had never been re-sealed in 7 years (it might have been during maint schedules, but I cant remember it being done) and it still looked new when we got rid of it

[Tiny]

10 year paint sealant? Adds 40 microns? .


Sorry Tiny,dont want to sound like im being off or arrogant but no chance. I have checked paint depth readings using allsorts of different products and none alter the thickness reading of the paint not even to 1 micron. If you have found one that does it must be paint in a bottle!

I have never said it adds 40 Microns if you would like to look at my post and do the mathematics properly you will see that it added 12microns and that was the combined result of
No7, Not going to add anything at all.
Glass polymer sealant APS-365, Goes on Very thick and comes off with great difficulty a real pig to work with but fills rivet dimples in paints on aircraft and leaves a lovely smooth as glass feel to the paint.
Followed by 3 coats of Tough-Seal with a 4th on the bonnet bumper and front wings due to the abuse they take. This is backed by a 5 and 10 year warranty policy, underwritten by their partner company Splashgroup UK.

That in total Adds 12 microns.

Also there is no sealant nor wax that will last 10 years. You state its an aircraft sealant well i have a sealant here that uses the same technology/chemicals that was developed for space shuttles/rockets (seriously) and if you get over 6 months from it then you are lucky.

There is you just have know where to get it and not buy stuff that claims for marketing purposes to have the same chemicals as the spaceshuttles protection!
Toughseal for example started out and you can still buy it as a exsposed metal structure protection for oil rigs, pylons, radio masts etc. It was refined and is now offered for cars/aircraft and the like. I have had this on every car i owned from learning when polishing aircraft over 6 years ago and every car i have owned since has had it. I regularly see one car i own as the chap who bought it from me is a good friend and apart from regular waxings every 2-3 months its still going strong and this is 4 and a half years on.

I have already stated that i am that confident with the product and its abilities/claims that i will be going back to do it again for free if the car goes pink with Andytoyota looking after it properly.

If you would like a demonstration i will happily do your car.

[b4rk3r]

I am sure our old Falcon 900 had never been re-sealed in 7 years (it might have been during maint schedules, but I cant remember it being done) and it still looked new when we got rid of it

You did not own a Falcon 900

[nikaiyo]

I am sure our old Falcon 900 had never been re-sealed in 7 years (it might have been during maint schedules, but I cant remember it being done) and it still looked new when we got rid of it

You did not own a Falcon 900

Sorry I did not intend to imply it was mine I used to manage the charter of it, ours was in the corporate sense
I can't see the owner of a $30million jet owing an MR2

[Tiny]

Just means the owner of the Jet has good taste if he has an Mr2

[b4rk3r]

I am sure our old Falcon 900 had never been re-sealed in 7 years (it might have been during maint schedules, but I cant remember it being done) and it still looked new when we got rid of it

You did not own a Falcon 900

Sorry I did not intend to imply it was mine I used to manage the charter of it, ours was in the corporate sense
I can't see the owner of a $30million jet owing an MR2

That's what i thought lol. Or spending time on an Mr2 forum. It would be cool if they did though.