Sony accuse MS and Ninty of "peddling"

[SamUK]

There just taking the p1$$ now.

There in a boo because MS had the best xmas ever for sales and they finally figured out they cant keep comparing sales to well, themselves.

The PS3 is the perfect example of a product featuring superior technology and a sophisticated design creating an ideal all-in-one entertainment product. The Xbox 360 requires additional money, multiple upgrades and additional external devices, putting a burden on the wallet and adds clutter to the entertainment center. And the Wii’s lack of enhanced features comes at the expense of a comprehensive entertainment solution. So as PS3 continues to evolve without the need for additional parts or expenses, expect the competition to continue peddling add-ons in an effort to keep up with the Jones’.

are they seeing the same sales figures as everyone else in the world? i dont think MS or ninty need to worry about keeping up with anyone.

sony are atleast 8 million consoles behind in the race.

[pcp]

where's that from?

It's a seriously silly thing to say, they're GAMES MACHINES not all in one entertainment centres, my PC seriously kicks my 360s ass on that front, and the ps3s, in truth it's better for games too but for some reason i prefer consoles.

The only add ons i've bought for my 360 is the wireless connector and plug and charge kit, the consoles works perfectly well without either tho and as we did to death in the other thread i'd rather pay less and then add options on later, it's like going to buy a new car if you could only have the top of the range with all the extras, no compromise, buy it or get out.

[SamUK]

its from sonys press release about the xmas sales.


every month the NPD stats are released, each company releases a statement with there views on the results.

ms and ninty always compare against there competition saying where they have beaten them eg software sales etc.

sony ALWAYS compare against themselves from the previous year and ignore the fact there sales are poo.


this is obviously there latest tactic.

[Ekona]

I like the way they happily ignore the Dual Shock 3, released last year.

[matt_mr2t]

I 360 plus most add ons to bring it to ps3 level would still come in cheaper. They really are stupid xxxxx. I know i have one but things like that just make me want it to fail.

[SamUK]

I think they really rely on people seeing the sony brand as the playstation 2.

It was so succesful that they got on there high horse and jus assumed the PS3 would do just as well.

Its like the cell. Theyve gone on about how amazing it is but when you look at it closely then it really isnt that great.

Its why i used to say they jus have to release something shiney for the sony whores to come running.

[thai boxer]

They really are stupid xxxxx. I know i have one but things like that just make me want it to fail.

Agreed mate. Thats a f**kin terrible press release from Sony.

The ONLY thing I've bought as an add-on for my Elite is the HD DVD drive (£25 brand new) and thats only because I could get new HD DVDs for £2-3.

Sony are being totally ignorant and arrogant.

[mikee66]

Its like the cell. Theyve gone on about how amazing it is but when you look at it closely then it really isnt that great.

please elaborate Sam.

Also

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/32831/Sony-20 ... ill-be-big

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=21785
(no 360 games in jap top 10? Naturaly Nintendo dominates completely)

Wii: 20.1m sales = £481m generated.
Xbox 360: 14.9m sales = £443m generated.
DS: 19.1m sales = £366m generated.
PS3: 10.4m = £334m generated.


The 360 sold 4.5m items more than the ps3 but has been available for nearly 2yrs longer and is a lot cheaper.

If you think about like that then the ps3 isn't doing too badly is it?

Also a lot of people i know are buying 360's and getting them chipped immediately so thats another reason why they are selling so many.

And i agree the price is considerably more than the 360 and factoring in once the 360 is chipped you can download games FREE in the current climate thats got to play a major part in people chosing consoles.

[SamUK]

Its like the cell. Theyve gone on about how amazing it is but when you look at it closely then it really isnt that great.

please elaborate Sam.

Also

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/32831/Sony-20 ... ill-be-big

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=21785
(no 360 games in jap top 10? )

Wii: 20.1m sales = £481m generated.
Xbox 360: 14.9m sales = £443m generated.
DS: 19.1m sales = £366m generated.
PS3: 10.4m = £334m generated.


The 360 sold 4.5m items more than the ps3 but has been available for nearly 2yrs longer and is a lot cheaper.

If you think about like that then the ps3 isn't doing too badly is it?

Also a lot of people i know are buying 360's and getting them chipped immediately so thats another reason why they are selling so many.

do i need too? the super power that is the cell isnt producing anything the xbox cant do and cant even be used fully in the console.

the reason you have play tv is because they had 2 spare cores to run the thing.


2008 was meant to be the year of the PS3 wasnt it? didnt happen.


and your sales figures are old.

the 360 has sold over 28 million units as of Jan 2009.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/18487/Xbo ... Worldwide/

they had a mental xmas with the price drop and must be about 8 million ahead of sony now?


its strange about the jap top 10 as the 360 has outsold the PS3 there for atleast 2 months.

theres a new exclusive JRPG announced nearly every week it seems. MS has really stepped up there game over there.

the resi evil bundle will be massive too as it will be half the price of the PS3.


sony have to have a price drop if they have any chance of winning this and that will cost them even more than it has already.

are they making a profit yet?

[mikee66]

Its like the cell. Theyve gone on about how amazing it is but when you look at it closely then it really isnt that great.

please elaborate Sam.

Also

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/32831/Sony-20 ... ill-be-big

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=21785
(no 360 games in jap top 10? )

Wii: 20.1m sales = £481m generated.
Xbox 360: 14.9m sales = £443m generated.
DS: 19.1m sales = £366m generated.
PS3: 10.4m = £334m generated.


The 360 sold 4.5m items more than the ps3 but has been available for nearly 2yrs longer and is a lot cheaper.

If you think about like that then the ps3 isn't doing too badly is it?

Also a lot of people i know are buying 360's and getting them chipped immediately so thats another reason why they are selling so many.

do i need too? the super power that is the cell isnt producing anything the xbox cant do and cant even be used fully in the console.

the reason you have play tv is because they had 2 spare cores to run the thing.


2008 was meant to be the year of the PS3 wasnt it? didnt happen.


and your sales figures are old.

the 360 has sold over 28 million units as of Jan 2009.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/18487/Xbo ... Worldwide/

they had a mental xmas with the price drop and must be about 8 million ahead of sony now?


its strange about the jap top 10 as the 360 has outsold the PS3 there for atleast 2 months.

theres a new exclusive JRPG announced nearly every week it seems. MS has really stepped up there game over there.

the resi evil bundle will be massive too as it will be half the price of the PS3.


sony have to have a price drop if they have any chance of winning this and that will cost them even more than it has already.

are they making a profit yet?

Sam you've not really addressed any of my points there i'm afraid mate, I asked you to elaborate why the cell wasn't great and you haven't.

Yes 360 has sold more than 8 million units more than the ps3 but given the fact that it's been around nearly 2 years longer and widely recognised as the console to own if you want to pirate games then it's not really that impressive is it?

Also 20m ps3's at £300 vs 28M 360's at £200?? That in itself tells a story.

Totally agree what you are saying about sony not making a profit on the consoles mate but then they've never used cut price parts to save money which resulted in millions of pounds of profit lost due to having to repair them all.

And finally my sales figures aren't old mate they are the global 2008 sales.

This site makes interesting reading Sam

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/06/mi ... 360-sales/

[JohnnyC]

the 360 has sold over 28 million units as of Jan 2009.

I do often wonder if that's number of systems 'sold' or the number they've put out to customers (sold/replaced).

Most people I know are on their 3rd 360

[SamUK]

Sam you've not really addressed any of my points there i'm afraid mate, I asked you to elaborate why the cell wasn't great and you haven't.

ok, they spent billions of dollars creating a chip that isnt neccesary (sp?).

im not saying the cell isnt an amazing bit of kit but its wasted in the PS3 as most things ive read said they couldnt even use it to the full potential (if they figured out how) due to bottleknecks in the rest of the system.

Yes 360 has sold more than 8 million units more than the ps3 but given the fact that it's been around nearly 2 years longer and widely recognised as the console to own if you want to pirate games then it's not really that impressive is it?

you like your PCs.

would you buy a PC, then another one 2 years later and be happy they ran exactly the same? or in some cases the older PC out performed the newer one?

Also 20m ps3's at £300 vs 28M 360's at £200?? That in itself tells a story.

so because MS were smart and are able to drop there price and still make a profit, thats a bad thing?

Totally agree what you are saying about sony not making a profit on the consoles mate but then they've never used cut price parts to save money which resulted in millions of pounds of profit lost due to having to repair them all.

And finally my sales figures aren't old mate they are the global 2008 sales.

This site makes interesting reading Sam

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/06/mi ... 360-sales/

But they are still making a profit now. even with all the repairs.

the figures must be fairly old as your 14 million off with the 360's count?

and its not really an interesting read at all. more a sony fan being picky.



the 2 year difference you keep pointing out, dont you think that works against sony?

they had an extra 2 years and still came out fumbling the ball.

[mikee66]

im not saying the cell isnt an amazing bit of kit

Thats exactly what you said Sam.

you like your PCs.

would you buy a PC, then another one 2 years later and be happy they ran exactly the same? or in some cases the older PC out performed the newer one?

Sam if i could get a cutting edge pc for £300 i'd be very happy, We are talking about consoles here not pc's.

so because MS were smart and are able to drop there price and still make a profit, thats a bad thing?

You are missing the point sam, The ps3 is nearly 2 years younger and in some cases £200 more than the 360 yet it's not that far behind the sales of the xbox

The sales figures are the sales figures for 2008 sam!!!

I hardly think Sony fumbled the ball, They waited, released a solid console thats well put together, plays the latest hd media and plays all the games in it's infancy that an establised console can.

The best games for a console normally come out after a few years when the developers have got to grips with the console. Thats happening now with the 360 yet the ps3 can do everything the 360 can and it's still in it's infancy.

Have you seen the 3d demo's?

The difference with me and you Sam is that i listen to reasoned arguments and if you make a valid point i'll agree with you but you fail to do that and are so blinded that you just cannot be reasoned with.

[mikee66]

the 360 has sold over 28 million units as of Jan 2009.

I do often wonder if that's number of systems 'sold' or the number they've put out to customers (sold/replaced).

Most people I know are on their 3rd 360

You make an EXCELLENT point mate, I'd be interested to see how many of the 360 sales are down to repeat customers?

How many people on here are on their 2nd or 3rd 360?

I have owned 3!

If you think about it like that then the 360 sales aren't really that impressive at all are they???

[SamUK]

im missing the point? lol.


i never said the cell wasnt a decent bit of kit i said it was useless in the PS3. They could of used another chip that cost half the price and still got the same results.


my point about the PC is that in 2 years, they should of bought out a console that was a generation ahead of the 360 and they didnt at all.

its basically the same spec except the PS3 has the cell and the xbox has the better GPU.


its 2009 and they are not the latest sales figures. how else should i put that?


edited to add - forget the sales figures then. lets look at COD4.

14 million individuals registered as playing online more than once.

over 10 million of those were on 360.

might be why 2 of sonys exclusive devs hav had to shut there doors recently. bet they wish they had made multi plat now!

[mikee66]

i never said the cell wasnt a decent bit of kit

Its like the cell. Theyve gone on about how amazing it is but when you look at it closely then it really isnt that great.

[dansREV2turbo]

had an xbox, upgraded it to an elite, traded it in for a ps3 then went back to a 360.

i have no desire to chip my xbox either. i like games online, and the xbox sweeps the floor with the ps3..

even if the sales are repeat buys from failing xboxes, why are those people buying another one rather than getting a ps3?...

[SamUK]

i never said the cell wasnt a decent bit of kit

Its like the cell. Theyve gone on about how amazing it is but when you look at it closely then it really isnt that great.

and i stand by what i said. sony claimed it would make the ultimate games machine and it didnt.

im sure its awesome if its put in a system that can utilise it.

[JohnnyC]

even if the sales are repeat buys from failing xboxes, why are those people buying another one rather than getting a ps3?...

I didn't mean repeat sales, I meant 'replacement' units being included in those 'sales' figures.

But yeah, I do know of people who've had 360's die on them (not RROD) and had to buy new ones as they were out of warranty.
And I guess the reason why they didn't buy a PS3 is because what would they do with the 360 library of games they'd bought over the years?

[dansREV2turbo]

good point.
didnt realise they added the replacement units to the sales figures.

still after having both, even with its faults id choose the xbox over the ps3..