Ps3 keypad

[matt_mr2t]

I always thought it was really cool how the Spectrum tape interface ran at a much higher rate than the C64. Took WAY less time to load games than the crappy Commodore.

All I remember about my C64 was the nutty loading screen with mental colours and a bit of a noise IIRC?

[Goto10]

I always thought it was really cool how the Spectrum tape interface ran at a much higher rate than the C64. Took WAY less time to load games than the crappy Commodore.

Pfff, you're Clive's b1tch.

[matt_mr2t]

At least being Bills or Clives b1tch is exclusive, you bend over and take it corporately meaning a very wide hole for you

[Goto10]

they hardly pioneered HDMI. its just the best connection that was available at the time. 360 would of used it if it launched over a year later like the PS.

they didnt leave out the network adapter to keep the cost down. what a load of bull. they didnt think the console market was ready for online gaming and had to quickly launch something before Live got even bigger.

thats why the first PSN was poo.

yea Sony were around way longer and look how far its got them? no where.

sony seems to look at specs. you could tell them a piece of tin foil was cool cos its shiney and they would think its ace.

cell - amazing well have it. doesnt matter if you cant use it.

bluray - awesome well have that too. doesnt matter that the drives cant read fast enough for all that space to have any benefit.

the whole console is bottle-knecked and the 360 actually has a better GPU.

Where did Sony say they didn't think online would be big? I can't find any reference to it. Ethernet was planned for PS2 from day 1.
Microsoft & ATI say the 360 has a better GPU, although it's flannel, the Xbox has more pipelines which is the fact they fixate on, but delve a little deeper and you see that the Rsx pipelines are nearly 3 times as fast, overall there's not a lot in it -

PS3-
Rsx pipelines
-24 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 5.7 ops.
-a total of 136 sops (shader opperations per second)

360
ATI pipelines
-48 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 2 ops
-a total of 96 sops. (shader opperations per second)

[Andy Jones]

MS are the trend setters. what have they copied from the PS?

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That's it

The games console

[Andy Jones]

I have one of these keyboards for my PS3

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-wireless-Key ... 240%3A1318

Originally bought for my linux install but makes surfing the net and ingame messaging a bit easier than the damn pad.

[SamUK]

they hardly pioneered HDMI. its just the best connection that was available at the time. 360 would of used it if it launched over a year later like the PS.

they didnt leave out the network adapter to keep the cost down. what a load of bull. they didnt think the console market was ready for online gaming and had to quickly launch something before Live got even bigger.

thats why the first PSN was poo.

yea Sony were around way longer and look how far its got them? no where.

sony seems to look at specs. you could tell them a piece of tin foil was cool cos its shiney and they would think its ace.

cell - amazing well have it. doesnt matter if you cant use it.

bluray - awesome well have that too. doesnt matter that the drives cant read fast enough for all that space to have any benefit.

the whole console is bottle-knecked and the 360 actually has a better GPU.

Where did Sony say they didn't think online would be big? I can't find any reference to it. Ethernet was planned for PS2 from day 1.
Microsoft & ATI say the 360 has a better GPU, although it's flannel, the Xbox has more pipelines which is the fact they fixate on, but delve a little deeper and you see that the Rsx pipelines are nearly 3 times as fast, overall there's not a lot in it -

PS3-
Rsx pipelines
-24 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 5.7 ops.
-a total of 136 sops (shader opperations per second)

360
ATI pipelines
-48 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 2 ops
-a total of 96 sops. (shader opperations per second)

google which console has the better GPU and then tell me its just MS and ATI

ill start you off.


http://www.bruceongames.com/2008/06/10/ ... -ps3-back/


and i didnt realise sony were the first company to make a games console. oh no wait, just about every electrical company in the world has had some crack at a games machine. even if it jus plugs into the TV and plays old 2d games.


feature wise. sony are crap and if live wasnt around youd still be playing on something like the ps2 psn.

infact, you were up untill about 2 months ago when they finally released an update.

[matt_mr2t]

PS3-
Rsx pipelines
-24 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 5.7 ops.
-a total of 136 sops (shader opperations per second)

360
ATI pipelines
-48 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 2 ops
-a total of 96 sops. (shader opperations per second)

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What the xxxx does that mean lol?

Is it a bit like "my car has 250 HP but yours only has 240 HP?

IE pointless pub bragging rights that actually mean f all in real life?

[Goto10]

PS3-
Rsx pipelines
-24 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 5.7 ops.
-a total of 136 sops (shader opperations per second)

360
ATI pipelines
-48 shader pipelines.
-each pipeline produces 2 ops
-a total of 96 sops. (shader opperations per second)

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What the xxxx does that mean lol?

Is it a bit like "my car has 250 HP but yours only has 240 HP?

IE pointless pub bragging rights that actually mean f all in real life?

Yup exactly that, I'm glad you got the point! As I said, there's naff all in it, the GPUs are much of a muchness, it's Mr FanBoi who's insisting the 360 GPU has been sent down from the heavens :p

[SamUK]

This is why i like these threads. Mr fanboi lol.

I simply pointed out fact that the gpu is another area sony went wrong.

Didnt say anything about the 360 version bein sent from heaven.

[matt_mr2t]

But in seriousness, what's any of that got to do with a keyboard for the PS controller?

[thai boxer]

...and a surprise "me too" response from Thai...

Predictable.

Cheers, that's the word I was looking for! An accurate self assessment.

Indeed.....but enough about yourself.

[oukie]

Well at least the ps3 is quiter we have a ps3 and a 360 elite which is supposed to be the quite one

If my GF is playing the 360 when I come in the house im like WTF is that, im thinking a backhawk helicopter is setting down on top of my house then I realise my GF is playng the 360

[matt_mr2t]

Well at least the ps3 is quiter we have a ps3 and a 360 elite which is supposed to be the quite one

If my GF is playing the 360 when I come in the house im like WTF is that, im thinking a backhawk helicopter is setting down on top of my house then I realise my GF is playng the 360

Agree the PS3 is almost silent where as my 360 is loud.

Then again, if you turn the volume up on your 5.1 you cant hear f all apart from that so no worries

[Andy Jones]

I simply pointed out fact that the gpu is another area sony went wrong.

Please remind us all again in what way they went "wrong"

MS are the trend setters. what have they copied from the PS?

and i didnt realise sony were the first company to make a games console. oh no wait, just about every electrical company in the world has had some crack at a games machine. even if it jus plugs into the TV and plays old 2d games.

Sony weren't but you claim them to be "trend setters"

MS helped bring console gaming online sooner rather than later. What else???

[SamUK]

I simply pointed out fact that the gpu is another area sony went wrong.

Please remind us all again in what way they went "wrong"

ok.

from the link i posted.

For the PS3 Sony wanted to have a technology advantage so they developed, in conjunction with Toshiba and IBM, the Cell processor. A clean sheet design with many innovations this took $400 million and four years to develop. The intention was to use two of these in the PS3, one as CPU and one as GPU. However at the last minute Sony realised that the Cell GPU wasn’t up to the job so they went to nVidia and bought their 7800GTX GPU. This gave them a number of disadvantages:

* It wasn’t designed or optimised as a console GPU. It was designed and optimised as a PC GPU.
* The whole architecture of the console was compromised by the last minute change.
* The 7800GTX has less raw processing power than the Microsoft Xbox 360 GPU.

Microsoft had their fingers burnt by not owning the chips in the original Xbox, so for the 360 they decided that they wanted to own the rights to both processors. They sat down and co designed their GPU with ATI. By doing this they were able to optimise it’s capabilities for video game playing and also they were able to design it into the elegant system architecture of the Xbox 360. They also gave it a lot of raw power.

So although the Platstation 3 has a more powerful CPU than the Xbox 360 it seems to be less powerful as a gaming machine. And real world results with real games have so far proved this. As Richard Huddy of ATI said in an Edge magazine interview: “I think Xbox 360 technology is likely to outperform PlayStation 3 technology by a pretty healthy margin in the long run.” It looks like the GPU is holding the PS3 back.

the bluray drive speed, the PSN network untill about 2 months ago.

MS are the trend setters. what have they copied from the PS?

and i didnt realise sony were the first company to make a games console. oh no wait, just about every electrical company in the world has had some crack at a games machine. even if it jus plugs into the TV and plays old 2d games.

Sony weren't but you claim them to be "trend setters"

MS helped bring console gaming online sooner rather than later. What else???

i have to admit you lost me with the first bit. i didnt say sony were trend setters.


MS didnt just jump start the online side they made it how it is.

in game menus, centralized friends lists, achievements, the marketplace, the video store.

they were first there with them all.

and now, centralized party mode, download queing from xbox.com, online game shows.

even the PSN store had a funny resemblance to the xbox market place.






that was painful. my small mind cant handle multiple quotes.

[Andy Jones]

For the PS3 Sony wanted to have a technology advantage so they developed, in conjunction with Toshiba and IBM, the Cell processor. A clean sheet design with many innovations this took $400 million and four years to develop. The intention was to use two of these in the PS3, one as CPU and one as GPU. However at the last minute Sony realised that the Cell GPU wasn’t up to the job so they went to nVidia and bought their 7800GTX GPU. This gave them a number of disadvantages:

* It wasn’t designed or optimised as a console GPU. It was designed and optimised as a PC GPU.
* The whole architecture of the console was compromised by the last minute change.
* The 7800GTX has less raw processing power than the Microsoft Xbox 360 GPU.

Fabulous

So what does the higher spec'd 360 do that the PS3 can't.

The PS3's launch games (on flawed architecture) with the majority of developers complaining about not knowing how the Cell works are no better or worse (apart from EA ports ) than what the 360 is producing. You don't think the PS3 will improve over time when programmers learn the hardware.

Play Unchartered and Wipeout HD and give an honest opinion of what you see. Unchartered is stunning and still one of my favorites (and a game that the developers claim is only using 30% of the PS3's potential power) so it will be interesting to see what Unchartered 2 can pull out of the bag if they push the hardware a bit more. The flaws in the PS3's GPU have been well talked about and some developers claim the PS3 will never run at 100% one reason being not enough internal memory to run all 7 cell cores at once. It doesn't interest me one bit TBH but if the PS3 can produce stuff like Unchartered, Wipeout HD, GT5P and Warhawk without really pushing the chips within' then it's still early days and far from having the last nail hammered into it's coffin just yet.

[mikee66]

even the PSN store had a funny resemblance to the xbox market place.

to be fair there's not a lot more they could do is there?

[Andy Jones]

to be fair there's not a lot more they could do is there?

Send us all an email asking for £40 for PSN access for the next 12 months? (and we'll get demos and XMB updates FOR FREE)

[Andy Jones]

As Richard Huddy of ATI said in an Edge magazine interview: “I think Xbox 360 technology is likely to outperform PlayStation 3 technology by a pretty healthy margin in the long run.” It looks like the GPU is holding the PS3 back.

A completely unbiased comment from an employee of the company who designed the 360's GPU

and he said LIKELY not WILL so he's also a bit optimistic

that was painful. my small mind cant handle multiple quotes.

So are you on the left or the right???