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[Mk2] [Generic] New Suspension

Post by JohnnyC »

FAIL! :roll:

Got poly bushes to put on - bought 2 years ago.
Got springs (Eibach pro kit), droplinks, ordered various bits from Mr T, ordered TRD topmounts.

Now, shock absorbers...
Ordered these...
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m5b0s2392p0

I priced up new shocks from Mr T (which I believe are just KYBs anyway), and the camskill ones worked out at just £12 each cheaper - although that's £50 when getting all four so I ordered.

And I got these...
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:cry: :cry: :cry:

Are these just inserts?

As you can see in the pic here, there's a full strut:
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php? ... 2392p25713

This is what I got for the wifes FTO last year and they're cheaper than the little sticks I got:
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php? ... b0s585p416

Anyone know where I can get decent priced shocks (you know, that springs can actually sit on, and I can attach to my wheels :D ) ?

They'll have to go back. Surely I should have got more for the money?
Surely I wasn't supposed to know that they weren't the 'full' shocks, or am I just a noob?
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] New Suspension

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Right, turns out that my (UK) rev5 has rebuildable struts.

But I'm not keen on the extra effort of removing the original (kyb) inserts and cleaning up the old struts.

Does anyone know if there's any difference between these gas inserts and the ones that Toyota sell (which they sell WITH the full strut for not alot more) - are they gas or oil shocks?
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] New Suspension

Post by C50 »

it's not much extra effort :? just need some stilsons or a very large spanner and vice.

not sure what the originals are but the gas shocks you have are better than "standard oil" :thumleft: (all shocks have oil btw)
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fyi, stock yellow mr2 shocks are like £130 EACH!
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C50 wrote:it's not much extra effort :? just need some stilsons or a very large spanner and vice.

It's not just that, you also need to fill the part the insert goes into with oil/coolant - although non of this was mentioned in the instructions with the inserts :roll: Infact the instructions were some sort of unreadable generic picto-gram for loads of different suspension parts that kyb sell!!

C50 wrote:not sure what the originals are but the gas shocks you have are better than "standard oil" :thumleft: (all shocks have oil btw)

I've since found out that the standard (rebuildable) shocks don't have inserts (although you can put inserts in) - there's a piston and oil inside.

I don't doubt that gas shocks are better than oil. But as I'm replacing a lot of suspension bits - I just didn't want rusty struts letting the side down (and I don't know how well they'll scrub up - another reason why it'd be too much effort!).


jimGTS wrote:fyi, stock yellow mr2 shocks are like £130 EACH!

Yeah, but they're yellow billies =P~


It seems that the only struts you can buy are either Toyota originals or Yellow Billies. Noone else sells any apart from inserts
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] New Suspension

Post by C50 »

yup, you do have to faff around to refurb them. I wanted rebuidable struts so had to source them and refurb them.

after you crack the nut off it's just oil, strut/ piston.
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Camskill took back the 'inserts' no problem (they haven't updated their website though to make it clear though).

Anyway, here's a few pics of the new suspension...

Thanks to everyone that helped with some queries I had, especially PoohBear :thumleft:

And to Peter Gidden @ SBits, firstly for helping me with my front bushes that I couldn't quite get in, and rescuing me from a stuck brake bleed nipple 8)

New ball joints from SBits, splitter tool from Halfords (which ended up being taken back - it was made from monkey-metal)...
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Removing a stubborn ball joint
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The suspension bushes (bought in the group buy 2+ years ago :roll: )
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No one told me removing 3 nuts/bolts would take several hours :D
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Bushes took a while to do, not just the removing, but also because I cleaned and painted them
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Then as I'd spent so long removing the lower arms & strut rods, I had to keep my car off the road while I had to go back to work - so I thought a few more days won't make much difference if I remove and clean and paint the rear subframe
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How wrong I was, whilst getting a lift to work from the wife, this happens (the woman driving behind looking down for something for her kid - FFS).
And my wife hadn't braked sharply, we'd been stationary at a set of traffic lights for several seconds!!)
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All back on
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Lovely
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The fronts, soooo much easier to remove than the rears :)
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New bushes fitted (more difficult than the rears, and fitting back on the car was a lot more difficult than the rears too)
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New springs (from larkspeed.com) :)
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New shock absorbers (from Toyota :shock: )
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New TRD topmounts, see further below for differences between standard
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Old rear suspension removed
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Original vs TRD rear topmount:
TRD has shorter cup bit that goes slightly over the bump stop.
TRD has shorter threads - this is a negative, I had to remove my washers that were between my strut brace and the nuts holding the topmounts to the car)
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Some rear droplinks (from Camskill)
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Original vs Eibach rear spring
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New rears to go on
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New front spring cups (Toyota) + rubber bits
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TRD vs Original front topmount:
I could see no difference whatsoever (except that TRD topmounts from Fensport are around £47, Toyota's are around £76)
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Front suspension removed
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New fronts ready to go on
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Bit expensive :sad: :cry: but should last a while.

Still need to get the alignment sorted...
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bet that cost a bit :?

looks great tho and should handle great :thumleft:
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If it's all back on again Johnny how are you getting on with it? I've just done similar and replaced topmounts, struts, springs and droplinks. Feels like a new car with no more rattles or crashes (the last set had done almost 190k) and surprisingly good ride. I've not done the bushes yet though...

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i love your very clean workshop and your workbench that looks just like a dining room table, your new shocks look really nice against your lovely white cubboards my mrs would go fecking mental if i done that, sorry how much did you pay for complete shocks if you dont mind me asking good job your car will feel very nice when done i want to do mine in the summer :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
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my FTO GR was written off with less damage than this, got paid out and got to keep the car, refuse the first offer!!!!
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C50 wrote:bet that cost a bit :?

looks great tho and should handle great :thumleft:

Got to get the alignment sorted, but seems okay so far.


HighwayStar wrote:If it's all back on again Johnny how are you getting on with it? I've just done similar and replaced topmounts, struts, springs and droplinks. Feels like a new car with no more rattles or crashes (the last set had done almost 190k) and surprisingly good ride. I've not done the bushes yet though...

I bought the car when it was 3.5 years old - was surprised at how 'tight' it all felt. But it'd lost that now after a further 5 years - the bushes alone brought back that tightness :) Suspension isn't a massive improvement though, probably the only difference is due to the aftermarket springs.


nofearmadbiker wrote:i love your very clean workshop and your workbench that looks just like a dining room table, your new shocks look really nice against your lovely white cubboards my mrs would go fecking mental if i done that, sorry how much did you pay for complete shocks if you dont mind me asking good job your car will feel very nice when done i want to do mine in the summer :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Yes, workshop is clean, sssshhhhh :wink:
I asked Toyota for prices, and they said £80 per corner. However, when I ordered they'd for some reason cheaper - plus I got a discount on top of that, so I paid £252 for all 4 corners.


sheppy wrote:my FTO GR was written off with less damage than this, got paid out and got to keep the car, refuse the first offer!!!!

It's not been written off. Helps that it was 2001 model, therefore the cost of repair is a smaller percentage of the value.
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Post by Ryan S »

aah good good, they couldn't find the value of my rear bumper(silly i know), i'm sure that's why they wrote it off, as the repairs did not exceed the value, honestly, it was a tiny dent!!!
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Post by mattcambs »

Excellent stuff :thumleft:

I didn't realise you could get new full shocks from Toyota. How much did they cost as I need some (assuming they'll fit a rev3 turbo)

Cheers,
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Price above :) £252, but make sure you ask for a discount if you do :wink:

The struts I got didn't have the exact same part numbers as what I gave to Toyota though, they had +1 added to each part number (48520-19056 for front-left, instead of 48520-19055 etc).

They seem pretty much identical though.

Although with you owning a rev3 turbo - yours never came with these (rebuildable) struts - although they'd fit fine.
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mattcambs wrote:Excellent stuff :thumleft:

I didn't realise you could get new full shocks from Toyota. How much did they cost as I need some (assuming they'll fit a rev3 turbo)

Cheers,
Matt


Bear in mind that the turbo shocks are different from the uk spec ones as the turbo cars from rev2 onwards use gas filled billstein dampers. The uk cars got normal oil filled ones apart from the 10th aniversary cars which also got the billstein ones.

As a mild upgrade when my car was standard I swapped from the uk spec dampers to a set of standard billsteins and they are a tad stiffer than the other shocks.
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Post by mattcambs »

Thanks guys. Yeah, I wondered if they were different to Black Billies.

Ideally I'd have Yellow Billies with stock Turbo springs. Not a fan of stiff suspension at all.
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