[All] [Generic] Lets show some more respect for those selling cars on IMOC...

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[All] [Generic] Lets show some more respect for those selling cars on IMOC...

Post by James Junior »

I can't help but notice a lot of negative comments being made on the 'MR2's for sale' threads, usually about the price point people choose to market their cars at.

A car is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

Topics regularly appear in the general section lamenting falling MR2 values in recent times, yet every time an exemplary example goes up for sale on the forum at the higher end of the pricing spectrum a number of members have a habit of steaming in, sucking their teeth saying 'Oooh you'll never get that much mate - thats waaaaay overpriced.'

Not only is this disrespectful but it is also as good as sabotaging that for sale thread! Furthermore these negative contributors are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy by driving the average price of cars DOWN!

The reason that values are so depressed is because most MR2's are sheds. Lets face it - tacky bodykits, high miles, faded paint work.

Clean examples with low miles are getting very rare now so why shouldn't they go for higher prices?

Now conversely if there is something glaringly wrong about an advert which someone feels it is their duty to fellow members to make clear this is different. For example there was a car on here a while back which some gimp was advertising as a limited edition TRD when all it was was a REV3 turbo with a TRD sticker on the back! In these cases for the benefit of less experienced members naturally someone should speak out.

If your only input to a for sale thread is 'I think your car is too expensive' then I think you should keep it to yourself or if you are intent on providing constructive advice to a fellow member, send them a PM.

In respect of other members I would suggest if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!

Sorry for the essay but I think this is an important issue that needs to be addressed.

I would welcome the feedback of members and moderators on this matter.
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Post by TubbyTwo »

totally agree mate :thumleft:
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Post by KrisMoyse »

TOTALLY agree James. As you put it mate, if you think the car is over priced, PM the seller, don't sabotage the post by putting "No one'll pay that for it!"

If someone wants to sell their Rev1 n/a for £4000 then let them, if it doesn't sell they will then lower the price at their own pace.
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Post by C50 »

I agree aswell.

On a crx forum.. they help bump prices up. Crx's there cost more than mr2's even with slight rust on arches and sunroof :shock:
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Post by RyanRs »

yup yup! its no wonder value is coming down with people posting comments like that!

Tell you what tho... with the amount of work / parts & love i have put into my mr2, i wouldn't let it go for less than £18,000 ! and ill prob never get that for it, so in that case id never sell it!
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Post by BiGWiLlYsTyLe »

I agree,i thought it myself but didnt have the cojones to let people know!!! :thumleft:
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Post by Steve-O 2007 »

RyanRs wrote: wouldn't let it go for less than £18,000 !


Oooh you'll never get that much mate, thats waaaaay overpriced, try starting at £4,000 and see how you go.

Just joking :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I paid £4,500 for a 1994 GTS with Rev2 Turbo engine and if I was going to sell thats how much I would be selling it for. Yea I could have got one for £2,000 but this was exactly what I wanted and I was prepared to pay that much for the right one :thumleft:
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Post by steve b »

Fair enough about not posting in peoples for sale threads, unless they have asked "why isn't it selling?".

However generally, you have to be realistic, sheds are worth nothing and average old ones only a bit, good old ones a little bit more and the very latest cars are actually worth (can fetch) good money.

I just bought a UK N reg rev3 n/a with 71,000 miles, FSH to 54,000 and 2 years ago the rest owner serviced inspection leads this to look true oil was golden, filters clean. Almost standard, new shining Mongoose stainless exhaust, new shining staggered 17" rims with new staggered tyres, interior perfect except divers sunvisor torn, exterior 99% perfect, touch of discolouration on the edge of the bottom of the rain gully. Crack in screen, very close inspection since home, looks like the original front wing has had a blow over, no other paint in its life. MOT until end of November, 1 months TAX.



I've driven it every day since getting it, tracked it at Combe and it hasn't missed a beat. Next trackday tomorrow and I'm sure it'll be perfect then as well.

How much? £1780 owner was happy to let it go for that, it'd been advertised for a while at £2000 to only get tyre kickers and non showers.
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Post by Blue4Ice »

As someone trying to sell an MR2 I support this thread.

Good cars do still fetch good money, even if it takes a bit of time for the right buyer to come along. Many owners on this forum would be willing to pay a little bit more to get the right car, in the right colour, at the right spec and in the right condition.

However one advantage of all the posts telling me I am asking too muchis that it does keep pushing my post to the top of the posting list :lol:
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Post by Lauren »

Whenever i look at for sale threads, i see prices that are way over what the car is worth.

Most seem way over-priced. Think i saw a rev3 priced at 6.5K the other day. Couldn't believe it!

Nobody wants to accept that their car has halved in value in a couple of years but unfortunately that is often the truth. We had much the same for our old Beemer. Paid £3550, sold it for £1850. Okay we sold it in a day and a half due to a low price, that car was mint though with a great spec.

As some have said the proof is in what they sell for.

I would personally never tell anyone that their car is overpriced, they'll soon learn that when they don't sell it.

Trouble is even Rev 3s are really getting on age wise... once a car goes over 10 years old the value plummets. Rising fuel costs and the expensive maintenance of MR2s doesn't help at all.

I don't think it is possible or acheivable to try to inflate MR2 prices. I personally think its the bane of forums to find cars are nearly always priced more expensively than they are in the small ads.

MK1 prices have stabilised and are now not falling further. It is questionable whether the mk2 will acheive this. If it does it won't be for some considerable time yet.
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Post by rev1_turbo_ian »

well i brought a rev1 tubby for £500 needed a bit of work but i tell you what i would be more the willing to speed 5K on a rev3 (the one i want anyway) its all up to the individual you only get what you pay for
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Lauren wrote:I personally think its the bane of forums to find cars are nearly always priced more expensively than they are in the small ads.

Same with PH. But having said that, often forum members/enthusiasts will do a better job of looking after their car than Joe Public - both mechanically and cosmetically.

I agree with the overall tone of the thread, but at the same time, a car is only worth what someone will pay for it (having just sold my Rev3). My biggest problem was getting people to come and look - I had many PMs and a few phone calls, but most seemed to be after the cheapest price rather than coming to see the condition of the car and judge for themselves the value. Photos can hide an awful lot and make telling good from bad difficult.

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Post by Rev5GT »

Totally agree with James on this one... The worst thing is the people making the comments about the prices being high are not even genuine buyers....!!

If a car is priced at £6k and you really want to buy the car a simple PM to the seller stating your interest and how much you have to spend would be more suitable rather than stating on a thread its worth 1/2 the price... Reason being as soon as 1 person makes a comment its soon followed by several others, making the whole for sale thread pointless..!!


As already stated a car is worth what one is willing to pay.. Being in the trade i can honestly say i have seen variations on prices across many makes/models.. however specialist cars and jap imports are greater as there is no 'book price / guide' therefore to some an average rev3 is worth a couple of grand to others its worth £5k+

Not one single person can determine the price on tubbys as condition/mileage/history and mods on a car make it worth what it is rather than age alone..

Just my 2p worth :mrgreen: :thumleft:

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Post by Harry »

Yes agree James. And agree with Lauren there are better every day cars In terms of economy and maintance out there these days to select from.
But they might not be better cars. But still think there Is no better project car to compete for the final result In terms of performance and drivers feel.
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Post by jakirby »

Have to agree (selling my car at the moment) all comments are welcome, but there is a way of doing things, and a PM is probably the best. Keep it constructive I say...
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Post by James Junior »

Well it appears that generally speaking we are in agreement about etiquette on the for sale threads.

Lets all just remain thoughtful of other members and try supporting those selling cherished examples via IMOC, instead of diminishing their chances of selling by making damaging disposable comments. :thumleft:

In terms of actual declining values, despite the emotional attachment these cars bring out in us all, we all know that in reaility we are flirting with cars that are now getting a bit long in the tooth.

However, that is the fun of the MR2 niche - they is nothing else like them and probably won't ever be again.

Life without pop up headlights, regular trecks to the nearest Shell garage, partial deafness, (and in the case of T-bars) wet arses just wouldn't be the same now would it?!

Cherished examples should still fetch good money and if anyone is going to have an interest, its more than likely to be one of us!
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Post by Harry »

Cherished examples should still fetch good money and if anyone is going to have an interest, its more than likely to be one of us!


Very true
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Post by JAP BOY »

Good thread guys i do admit quite a few cars are at low prices but in my veiw what one thinks about the value of there car is not what someone else will think necessarily!!!!

The main thing is why these cars are selling for less when you get other makes of Jap metal similar price and age along with milage goin for almost double almost everytime!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by RST »

I'm 100% with you James. I actually think it's the forums which are doing the majority of damage to car prices.

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Post by tonigmr2 »

In total agreement, I cringe when I read people being aggressive over someone else's pricing. If it really bothers you PM them, but I'm sure if they wanted your advice they'd ask for it. :eye:

Having said that, if they'd prefer to keep it at a certain level and wait, that's up to them too! There may be a buyer out there looking for a particular spec/history/colour and it matches it perfectly.
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