[All] [Generic] morrison e85 fuel...

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RyanRs
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[All] [Generic] morrison e85 fuel...

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Is this the same E85 thats used in high HP engines as it has a much higher octane rating , better cooling properties and ultimatly give a much higher possible power output??

If it is.... and if morrisons etc make this fuel much more avaliable , surely this should be the 1st choice of modded turbo car users? (assuming the correct alchol resistant fuel system is fitted)

until now, i alwayse assumed that E85 was race fuel -purchased in cans or barrels!!
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yes it is the same fuel lucky for me its 3 miles down the road :D i plan to run on this when the rebuild is finished. people up north cant get it very easy. only downside is it rots some pipes strips tank clean and needs oversize fueling as it needs more of it per mile. so either oversize injectors or a company on ebay(usa cheaper) sells a ecu to overfuel your car and plugs inline to your injectors. great mod zero carbon great for cooling no det :D
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my mates gonna be running this on his K24/K20 vtec hybrid. I thinks its 105 octane.
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Post by Bailey »

Who would of thought morrisons would be selling a fuel like this! :shock:

By the way turbomax, i notice you are local to me. You didnt happen to once own a maestro turbo did you??
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105 octane... hmm could have sworn E85 was more than that? suppose it depends on the alchol content % as i read its usually between 70%-85% for e85..

I would like to use this fuel full time too once me build is finished as i am fitting the correct,E85 compatible fueling system for the job anyways -1150cc's wolfkats/SX 18203 pump/stainless lines etc... the power increase from using E85 on big build setups is quite amazing and its 96p per liter iirc!!
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i thought it was cheaper than that :shock:
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yes mate i did have a maestro turbo. what where you drivin about then? thats a few years ago now. my mate owns it now and its never been back on the road since i swapped it with him. my 2 is off the road now untill summer i hope got couple of other projects on the go as well. my cousin has the white and black mrd rev 3 in town. i know a few of the other peps in area with 2s and mates got 500bhp celica gt4. cheers max

its still cheaper then optimax and more powerfull. if the goverment drop the tax on it as its eco friendly then it will be a must for most people. a new saab and lotus come from factory set up to run on it. 1150cc and stainless lines sounds the biz mate :thumleft: .
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Found this well interesting as i am just getting used to telling some of me mates - NA this car wont like it if i run her on normal unleaded as it has been imported.

Ive been using the shell vpower since ive had the car about 5 - 6 months and yesterday filled up at texaco garage with there high octane dont seem to be much of a difference, but reading this thread Turbomax said the morrison fuel E85 can rott some pipes is this what happens with all the high octane juice or just the E85.
sorry to reference you turbomax but you are obviously clued up on this ive had some nice cars in the past like escort rs turbos renault gt5 and never really worried about it so any more fuel info wont be great mate.
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jayowomk1 - i don't think you should be putting E85 into your car without modifications. I think you need to advanced the ignition.
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E85 contains a lot of alcohol , which is corrosive to things like rubber.. So being as the std fuel lines are ..Rubber, they will dissolve away! Also any rubber washers / gaskets will need to be tougher otherwise they will dissolve too!

you do not have to advance the ignition timing afaik, but to get the majority of the benifits of using E85, then advancing the ignition is the way to go..
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I don't know much about E85 tbh. I'm helping my friend put together his N/A beast of an engine. He buys the parts.. He's gonna be running quite high compression (>13.8) to make the most out of it.

I thought being high octane it would be best to advance it slightly. Doesn't the engine require like 25% more compared to fuel hence the uprated injectors?
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jayowomk1 - PM'd :thumleft:

ahahaha :lol: what is it with you and your burgers? :lol: careful tho.. BK tends to microwave them at times and they taste rank :sick: ask for your £ back if you do get a microwaved one :thumleft:
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these are the peps to speak to. but this unit is availble on us ebay very cheap :D


http://www.bioperformanceuk.com/?gclid= ... EgodxzBnFQ
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Ive heard about this. Its Ethanol fuel isnt it?
Us northerners get robbed with things like this! we also need cheap fuel!!
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Couple of the Drag cars that i am working on this year are planning to use this stuff.

As already stated you will need much larger injectors, uprated fuel lines otherwide it will eat the stock ones in no time and be very dangerous then.

Plus you will need to fit a Bosch fuel pump as this is the only one out there at the moment which supports it.

Walbro's Don't!

HTH

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turbomax wrote:these are the peps to speak to. but this unit is availble on us ebay very cheap :D


http://www.bioperformanceuk.com/?gclid= ... EgodxzBnFQ


for use on a turbo motor / modified engine, i wouldnt use one of them. for about £100-200 more you could get a piggyback or even standalone EMS!!

also how would you know if the injectors have reached there maximum duty without either using a standalone or taking it to get mapped?! i cant remember exactly what the ratio of e85 to petrol is but im sure its something like 4:1 so that means if the 550cc injs are at say 70% at full chat on v-power on a std engine, then using e85 -that kit will try to push the inj's way past there max duty and you will run lean and the engine will die!

on a NA this box will prob be ok.. but not on a turbo.
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yeap stand alone is way to go. but i dunno how much power you make by maxing out the injectors and running less boost. i am not explaining myself whats the trade off from high octane fuel the power you get out and the amount of boost needed? i suppose its a unkown i know on that new lotus they claim big power diffrences.

look at jap and uk figs for petrol octane on cars is it a relistic fig? cheers max
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E85 is the future, can't wait for this to be fully available :)

The advantages outway the disadvantages to me.

Ok, you need more fuel but the extra power appears to outway this.

Apparently 25% extra power is achievable with mapping due to it being much more tolerant to knock. This in turn means more boost and ignition advance can be had to gain more power.

E100 will be even better but not sure when or even this will be released.

Spannerman :)
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spannerman wrote:E85 is the future, can't wait for this to be fully available :)

The advantages outway the disadvantages to me.

Ok, you need more fuel but the extra power appears to outway this.

Apparently 25% extra power is achievable with mapping due to it being much more tolerant to knock. This in turn means more boost and ignition advance can be had to gain more power.

E100 will be even better but not sure when or even this will be released.

Spannerman :)


dont forget higher CR's! that will decrease spool time and raise off boost response!!
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