The new mk4 mr2?

[michael]

Also i got a hell of a lot more flashes from mk1 owners then i have mk2.

*lowers the tone*

That's because you smell of wee.

[Lauren]

LOL, perhaps the sea of MK2s is because they appealed more to the average car buying public?

Touche!

...or because they appealed more to the performance car buying public?

Oh cripes...

Or should that be because they appealed more to the straightline junkies?



pats 4 stars for the MK1 in Evo and 2 for the MK2..

[Lauren]

*yawn*

Mk1's ..... mobile chicanes ..... blah ... flat cap ..... *yawn* .....



I love this forum for MR2 debates!.

but only in the dry Neil, not in the wet..

[Sidewinder]

I personally think that if you havent owned a mk1 you have no say in this discussion as the mk1 was an incredible sports car!

Huh? The age-old IMOC-UK "Turbo Vs N/A" debate has raged for eons, and is usually made up by people giving their opinion on the cars without them owning/driving both, so there's no difference on this thread.

Interesting to see how this thread has changed, though.

[Lauren]

I had a mk1 before i had my mk2 and i think Ammon agrees with me here sayin we both miss our mk1, not that i would swap it for my mk2 but theres something about the mk1 that just makes you feel special on the road. Don't know if n e of you remember Steve Mimms but he bought my mk1 and he had a modified mk2 turbo which he sold to buy my mk1. I personally think that if you havent owned a mk1 you have no say in this discussion as the mk1 was an incredible sports car! and you have to experience the car on a day to day basis for its individuality. I love my mk2 for the modern look and modern accessories eg power steering and air con, but the mk1 was one of those cars that everyone would just turn thier heads as it is a retro sports car and its completly different to the other cars on the road today. Also i got a hell of a lot more flashes from mk1 owners then i have mk2.

Here, here at last a MK2 owner who talks sense!!

Seriously though i think we are all aware what a good day to day car a MK2 is with all its creature comforts and mile munching ability, but i think you have something when you say how a MK1 feels a bit special because it is a retro car and has that X factor in how it feels.

I honestly think that only those that have had both Marks can really comment from an objective viewpoint, we've heard Spammon how about Ben? as he currently owns a turbo and an early MK1.

[Lauren]

I had a mk1 before i had my mk2 and i think Ammon agrees with me here sayin we both miss our mk1, not that i would swap it for my mk2 but theres something about the mk1 that just makes you feel special on the road. Don't know if n e of you remember Steve Mimms but he bought my mk1 and he had a modified mk2 turbo which he sold to buy my mk1. I personally think that if you havent owned a mk1 you have no say in this discussion as the mk1 was an incredible sports car! and you have to experience the car on a day to day basis for its individuality. I love my mk2 for the modern look and modern accessories eg power steering and air con, but the mk1 was one of those cars that everyone would just turn thier heads as it is a retro sports car and its completly different to the other cars on the road today. Also i got a hell of a lot more flashes from mk1 owners then i have mk2.

Here, here at last a MK2 owner who talks sense!!

Seriously though i think we are all aware what a good day to day car a MK2 is with all its creature comforts and mile munching ability, but i think you have something when you say how a MK1 feels a bit special because it is a retro car and has that X factor in how it feels.

I honestly think that only those that have had both Marks can really comment from an objective viewpoint, we've heard Spammon how about Ben? as he currently owns a turbo and an early MK1.

[JAP BOY]

its nice to see a more beefyer concept with a V6 instaed of the 1.8 mk3s

[PW@Woodsport]

I had a mk1 before i had my mk2 and i think Ammon agrees with me here sayin we both miss our mk1, not that i would swap it for my mk2 but theres something about the mk1 that just makes you feel special on the road. Don't know if n e of you remember Steve Mimms but he bought my mk1 and he had a modified mk2 turbo which he sold to buy my mk1. I personally think that if you havent owned a mk1 you have no say in this discussion as the mk1 was an incredible sports car! and you have to experience the car on a day to day basis for its individuality. I love my mk2 for the modern look and modern accessories eg power steering and air con, but the mk1 was one of those cars that everyone would just turn thier heads as it is a retro sports car and its completly different to the other cars on the road today. Also i got a hell of a lot more flashes from mk1 owners then i have mk2.

the most sensible post in this entire thread and totally true....ive owned both,was very dissapointed with the way the mk2 handled,yes it was nice and comfy and came loaded with toys,could do 1000 miles in it without batting an eyelid,but it was a yawn mobile,doesnt handle anywhere near as well as the mk1....i want a sportscar to perform like a sportscar,for me the mk2 was no different in driving feedback than oh so many shopping chariots.

The problem stems from the fact that toyota lost the original concept idea and made the mk2 far too mainstream,so much so that mk1 owners dont recognise any of the mk1 in the mk2.But we can see shades of the mk1 in the mk3,this tends to alienate mk2 owners who dont like being told their car isnt a true sportscar,but it is in fact a GT.I didnt hate my mk2,but the reality is that if id never driven a mk1 beforehand id still be driving a mk2 claiming it to be the bees knees and the best mr2 ever built...as alex says,until you have owned or extensively driven both you cant really comment.

Thanks for the dictionary quote of the literal meaning of the word "modernise" michael,id be lost without you ,i do agree with you though,threads like this can rage forever but most of the mk2 defensive comments tend to only come from mk2 owners that have only owned mk2s,lets hear a bit more from those that have been and done both.

[MarkyMR2]

Just to put my bit in
Dont you think "look wise" it looks as though the order the 2's were launched were mk1, mk3 then mk2? not that im saying anything bad about either of the other 2 (the ones i dont own) I just think the later mk2 rev 4/5 look more "supercar" than the MX5/Z3 looks of the mk1 & mk3 just a thought

[Lauren]

Just to put my bit in
Dont you think "look wise" it looks as though the order the 2's were launched were mk1, mk3 then mk2? not that im saying anything bad about either of the other 2 (the ones i dont own) I just think the later mk2 rev 4/5 look more "supercar" than the MX5/Z3 looks of the mk1 & mk3 just a thought

Oooh like a lamb to the slaughter

No i don't agree, the MK3 is obviously the newer design as it can be clearly seen that is a baby boxster styling wise.

I think a Noble looks more like a supercar, the MK2 is more obviously a mid-range mass produced sports/GT type car. Sit one next to a Noble or GT3 and you'll see what i mean.

Also as the MK1 pre-dates the MX5 & Z3 you can't really say it looks like these. Obviously the MK3 is pitched fair and squarely with the MX5 as it is one of its main competitors.

[MarkyMR2]

And there was me thinking i would get on the bad side of MX5 & Z3 lovers I do understand what you are saying, and understand you would prefer the mk3 and mk1, they are girl cars after all ONLY JOKING!

[Lauren]

And there was me thinking i would get on the bad side of MX5 & Z3 lovers I do understand what you are saying, and understand you would prefer the mk3 and mk1, they are girl cars after all ONLY JOKING!

I'm a girl and I like it so i'm not bothered there. But my boyfriend has had 6 MK1s so i can see a flaw in your theory!

How about we say:

MK1 = drivers car for those who really like to drive
MK2= posers car for those who are happier going in straight lines

Sound fair?

[Kieron]

I've thrown both my MK2's round more corners and country lanes than any other car I have ever owned - (and I have owned bloody loads of sports cars......)

To me the MK2 had it all, great fun, fast, superb looks, relatively easy to work on.

It was a great progression from the dated MK1's when it was released.

It modernised the marque....

To me the MK3 never counted in the equation. It was a spider, it wasn't a representation of what had gone before.

[Lauren]

I've thrown both my MK2's round more corners and country lanes than any other car I have ever owned - (and I have owned bloody loads of sports cars......)

To me the MK2 had it all, great fun, fast, superb looks, relatively easy to work on.

It was a great progression from the dated MK1's when it was released.

It modernised the marque....

To me the MK3 never counted in the equation. It was a spider, it wasn't a representation of what had gone before.

But like a few others have already said, have you ever owned a MK1?

[MarkyMR2]

RAH RAH RAH LOL
Although I would say my 2 would rather go side ways than straight

[vashy]

The Mk3 is a proper sports car! less than 1000kgs, limited slip diff, and no boot!

:bom:

[Kieron]

Haven't owned a MK1 myself, been in a few. They were good cars back in the day, last time I was in one was back in '94.

Don't get me wrong, I like the old girls. I'm always pawing over Jon Leech's.

Much prefer the MK2 'though. A more "complete" motor.

[MarkyMR2]

[Sidewinder]

How about we say:

MK1 = drivers car for those who really like to drive
MK2= posers car for those who are happier going in straight lines

Sound fair?

Nope!

If the Mk1 is such a drivers' car, why are these 'drivers' driving them and not something purer and lighter? Lotus Seven replica or Elise, etc?

[Kieron]

Money.......