The new mk4 mr2?

[Tony jinxy froude]

I think that the obviously 80s styling of the MK1 gives it some distinction and firmly anchors it in that period, so although it looks dated compared to more modern machinery this is actually a plus point as it is very definately a car of that era.

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TOTALLY DISAGREE !!!, i dont think the MK1 is dated at all, take a look at cars from around the 80's ( if you can find many ) now most of them do look dated compared to cars of today, the MK1 in today's traffic looks "different" which is a good thing, but definately NOT dated, there are many young kids near to where i live, and i often hear " nice car mate !!" modern kids know what they like and what they dont, if its dated, its unfashionable and modern kids dont like unfashionable, i actually think its a car thats capable of looking fresh in any era without the need to add things or remove things, What Paul Woods has done is fantastic, he has taken the best bits and rolled them into one car but if you look at his work very little of it has been to change the overall appearence of the car just the performance as with most mk1 owners who have pushed the boundary's, Bill Strong, etc because we are totally happy with the look of the car, performance is another matter altogether, Jinxy

[Lauren]

I think that the obviously 80s styling of the MK1 gives it some distinction and firmly anchors it in that period, so although it looks dated compared to more modern machinery this is actually a plus point as it is very definately a car of that era.

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TOTALLY DISAGREE !!!, i dont think the MK1 is dated at all, take a look at cars from around the 80's ( if you can find many ) now most of them do look dated compared to cars of today, the MK1 in today's traffic looks "different" which is a good thing, but definately NOT dated, there are many young kids near to where i live, and i often hear " nice car mate !!" modern kids know what they like and what they dont, if its dated, its unfashionable and modern kids dont like unfashionable, i actually think its a car thats capable of looking fresh in any era without the need to add things or remove things, What Paul Woods has done is fantastic, he has taken the best bits and rolled them into one car but if you look at his work very little of it has been to change the overall appearence of the car just the performance as with most mk1 owners who have pushed the boundary's, Bill Strong, etc because we are totally happy with the look of the car, performance is another matter altogether, Jinxy

And chill!

I don't or didn't look as 'dated' in a negative way.

I have found as i've owned MK1s for nearly 5 years now, i am leaning more and more toward the standard look being the best IMO. I've now got this thing about my early car looking exactly right with all the trim and stuff and know for sure that it will be a real headturner once it comes out of the bodyshop. I also like the individuality of owning a car which is rare (in good condition) so i'm really looking forward to getting mine sorted and getting out and about with it this summer.

No need to preach to the long ago converted Tony!

[michael]

TOTALLY DISAGREE !!!, i dont think the MK1 is dated at all

You drive a MK1, you are hardly going to say it's crappy looking.

It's retro, it looks like it was designed in the era it was built, it's very 'cubist'.

I'm not saying this is a bad thing but it doesn't look modern by any means.

[Tony jinxy froude]

TOTALLY DISAGREE !!!, i dont think the MK1 is dated at all

You drive a MK1, you are hardly going to say it's crappy looking.

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But Michael, ive yet to hear anyone describe a MK1 as "crappy looking" weather it be a MK1 owner or not.
your a Supra owner and your car is 11 years old, do you think its dated ? probably not, yet yet the design of cars has changed so much since your car was built, personally i love the look of the MK1 Supra and love to see them on the road and yet i dont think its dated either, in the 80's a lot ( NOT all ) styling houses pushed the boundarys so much that the cars of the time really dont look out of place today, but much is owed to the MK1's in both Supra and MR2 to bring both the company and respective cars to where they are today. I stand firm in what i believe in ,and to me and a lot of others on here the MK1 ticks all the boxes, cheers, Jinxy

[michael]

But Michael, ive yet to hear anyone describe a MK1 as "crappy looking" weather it be a MK1 owner or not.

You've obviously not been involved in enough MK1 vs MK2 vs MK3 threads then, the slagging match usually appears at some point

your a Supra owner and your car is 11 years old, do you think its dated ?

It's a very '90's design and by no means cutting edge compared to the stuff you can buy today - some of the technology used was ahead of it's time for a road car so it continues to be fairly current but I can see it's flaws and appreciate it's not perfect. I don't wear blinkers but at the same time you can still buy a 2002 Supra that will look a lot like mine so it's not been out of production for decades like the MK1.

I stand firm in what i believe in ,and to me and a lot of others on here the MK1 ticks all the boxes, cheers, Jinxy

And that's what I keep saying, it's great that there is an MR2 for everyone but in the same way as a MK2 doesn't appeal to certain people for specific reasons I'd like to believe you were open minded enough to appreciate that despite your obvious love for the MK1 it doesn't do it for everybody either

To *me* the MK1 looks it's age, I'm not saying that's a negative thing (bear in mind the Ford RS200 is my favourite car of all time so I'm hardly some Futurama freak who only goes for current stuff) but it has it's weak points and it's plus points in *my* eyes, as does the MK2 and the MK3, it's all about which elements you consider weak and which you consider to be positive aspects of the car, this is what makes us humans more interesting, we don't all like the same things (but some of us are a little more open-minded and resist the temptation to slate things because they don't meet our needs).

No malice intended to anyone or any MR2, I'm trying to be balanced and offer a subjective view based on my own thoughts whilst appreciating the thoughts of others.

[Sidewinder]

Why do the majority of Mk1 owners feel the need to constantly justify why they own their cars?

The cars are not seen as inferior to the Mk2 any more than Mk2 owners feel inferior to the Mk3!

All three evolutions of the MR2 share the same basic concepts, but are their own individual motoring paradigms and thus have pros and cons respectively. To say that one Mk is better overall than another Mk is short-sighted.

Out of interest, how much does each of the evolutions (inc engine variants) of MR2 weigh?

[michael]

^^

What he said

[Lauren]

Why do the majority of Mk1 owners feel the need to constantly justify why they own their cars?

The cars are not seen as inferior to the Mk2 any more than Mk2 owners feel inferior to the Mk3!

All three evolutions of the MR2 share the same basic concepts, but are their own individual motoring paradigms and thus have pros and cons respectively. To say that one Mk is better overall than another Mk is short-sighted.

Out of interest, how much does each of the evolutions (inc engine variants) of MR2 weigh?

I think it is probably because there are a hell of a lot more MK2 owners on this board and in the MR2 world in general. A lot of MK2 owners (not all by any means) rubbish the MK1 so it gets Mk1 owners backs up IYSWIM.

Also the MK1 is cheaper than the MK2 overall simply because the MK2 is a newer car and there is some inference that people buy a MK1 because they can't afford a MK2, which is another reason which MK1 owners get upset about.

Then there is the constant MK2s are faster than MK1s debate which is generally annoying as this is always based on the fact that a MK2 is quicker in a straightline and in turbo form has a much higher power to weight ratio.

Add to this the constant battle of dealing with Toyota's lack of rust proofing and so the comments come thick and fast how MK1s are rust buckets etc, so you see having a MK1 means you quite often end up on the receiving end of some derogatory comment and you can see why MK1 owneres as a relative minority get upset from time to time.

I think also there are the constant comparisons between MK1s and MK2s and more often than not the MK2 is used as the benchmark.

I agree with you that it is pointless to compare them as they do and always have appealed to different types of car owners and i guess because the two MKs are such a different driving experience in reality this will always be the case.

I think MK1s generally appeal more to those who like classic cars and like the involving driving experience you get, so really its a real drivers car.

I think the MK2s appeal to those who like lots of power and place straightline speed over driver involvement and also like all the luxuries and the various bodykits etc you can get from them.

each to their own and all that, but remember MK1 owners only justify their ownership of a MK1 because they feel they need to state their individuality in a sea of MK2s.

[Tony jinxy froude]

Why do the majority of Mk1 owners feel the need to constantly justify why they own their cars?

Because most of society deems if a car is old it must be a banger, which is obviously not the case .
Michael, No mallace taken mate, i like posts like this which are constructive & offer everyone a voice of opinion, a lot of what you say i agree with, its all down to individuality at the end of the day, dont get me wrong im not blinkered to the MK2 ( only when im taking a light hearted pi$$ out of MK2 owners ) i can see it has flaws just like the MK1, personally i like the Mk3 least of all, but who knows, maybe in 20 years time when their long out of production and you will see less and less of them i may appreciate them more, cheers, Jinxy

[michael]

Perhaps the sea of MK2s due to increased sales is testament to the improvements made?

(In jest)

[waynestoyotamr2]

Just to add my 2p here. The reason why I love the Mk1 is because it looks the way a sports car "should" look. It is exactly the car I remember drawing when I was 5 or 6 years old, very angular all round, if you give a child a blank piece of paper and a pencil and ask them to draw you a sports car - the Mk1 is what they draw!

I cant justify any particular reason why I love the Mk1 as much as I do, I think its just because of there uniqueness and yes, I know they are not the *best* car out there, and yes, they do have there faults but its still the only car that really excites me!



*wipes eyes*

[michael]

It is exactly the car I remember drawing when I was 5 or 6 years old, very angular all round, if you give a child a blank piece of paper and a pencil and ask them to draw you a sports car - the Mk1 is what they draw!

I was pretty much the same, most of my drawings started life like this:



As time went on the cloud of smoke from the exhaust went and the flames started, spoilers were added, all angular and drawn with a ruler - all hankering back to the Countach poster on my wall, I didn't see a MK1 until I was at secondary school, one of the 6th formers had a white T-Bar, posh git!

Would a child draw the same sort of thing today? I don't hang around with many youngsters so I'm, not sure but I guess the basic design still applies? I suppose it's what the 12 year olds are drawing (or creating in 3D packages?) that says what's in and what isn't.....

[Lauren]

Perhaps the sea of MK2s due to increased sales is testament to the improvements made?

(In jest)

LOL, perhaps the sea of MK2s is because they appealed more to the average car buying public?

Touche!

[Sidewinder]

LOL, perhaps the sea of MK2s is because they appealed more to the average car buying public?

Touche!

...or because they appealed more to the performance car buying public?

Oh cripes...

[waynestoyotamr2]

It is exactly the car I remember drawing when I was 5 or 6 years old, very angular all round, if you give a child a blank piece of paper and a pencil and ask them to draw you a sports car - the Mk1 is what they draw!

I was pretty much the same, most of my drawings started life like this:



As time went on the cloud of smoke from the exhaust went and the flames started, spoilers were added, all angular and drawn with a ruler - all hankering back to the Countach poster on my wall, I didn't see a MK1 until I was at secondary school, one of the 6th formers had a white T-Bar, posh git!

Would a child draw the same sort of thing today? I don't hang around with many youngsters so I'm, not sure but I guess the basic design still applies? I suppose it's what the 12 year olds are drawing (or creating in 3D packages?) that says what's in and what isn't.....

LOL Canny! Good one mate!

Yeah fair point on the last thing, I guess times have changed, I dont remember hankering after cars with rediculous spoilers, large alloys, big exhausts and constantly going "thud thud" from the bass box/sub woofer thingy me bob whatever its called. However my 12 year old Nephew is always saying to me "get some big alloys on it" "get some neons" "this stereo is rubbish" etc....

Unforetunately, the kids of today are drawing the likes of Saxo's etc... IMO.

[michael]

They were pretty expensive cars at the time though, not really mainstream..... cheap as chips now though

[waynestoyotamr2]

LOL, perhaps the sea of MK2s is because they appealed more to the average car buying public?

Touche!

...or because they appealed more to the performance car buying public?

Oh cripes...

But the UK Spec Mk2 can hardly of been called a "Performance Car" can it!

[Sidewinder]

Well I'm not sure what category to put it into. If it offends people to put it into the sportscar category, and despite being a GT there's no way it can be in the GT car category, the performance car one seems to be the closest match...

[jonno]

*yawn*

Mk1's ..... mobile chicanes ..... blah ... flat cap ..... *yawn* .....



I love this forum for MR2 debates!.

[Alex_Dunn]

I had a mk1 before i had my mk2 and i think Ammon agrees with me here sayin we both miss our mk1, not that i would swap it for my mk2 but theres something about the mk1 that just makes you feel special on the road. Don't know if n e of you remember Steve Mimms but he bought my mk1 and he had a modified mk2 turbo which he sold to buy my mk1. I personally think that if you havent owned a mk1 you have no say in this discussion as the mk1 was an incredible sports car! and you have to experience the car on a day to day basis for its individuality. I love my mk2 for the modern look and modern accessories eg power steering and air con, but the mk1 was one of those cars that everyone would just turn thier heads as it is a retro sports car and its completly different to the other cars on the road today. Also i got a hell of a lot more flashes from mk1 owners then i have mk2.