[Mk2] [Turbo] When should i book my turbo's funeral???

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[Mk2] [Turbo] When should i book my turbo's funeral???

Post by 2Crooky »

Hey peeps 8)

I am spanking a tidy amount of oil out of la turbo!! On hard launch i get a nice puff of blue from the dep II......I have oil build up around the intake side of the turbo and around the turbo to IC pipe join......

The seals have been dying for about 2 months now.....How long has she got before her heart stops beating :(

One other thing.........

What turbo's will fit onto the stock manifold for a rev 1 apart from a CT20??? I am looking at a bigger turbo but don't wanna have to buy a full kit!! Was thinking a GT2871r but it uses a T3 flange :(

Aex :thumleft:
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Post by steve---o »

hi mate,

could you not just use a T3 adaptor flange from xxxx to mate the turbo to the stock fanimold and blank off the external wastegate flange????

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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] When should i book my turbo's funeral???

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Not sure how long it will last but re. a replacement you have 3 real options IMO:

1. Refurb yours and while you're at it get the housing bored out with a larger compressor wheel etc to get a stage 2/3. You'll effectively have a new turbo that's pretty potent with a warranty - £500?
2. Sell yours cheap and buy a 2nd hand ct20b - £250-300
3. Spend £1500 plus on a new turbo kit :eye:
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2nd hand ct20 or nice turbo kit I say. Don't pay to have a turbo rebuilt/hybridded IMO.
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] When should i book my turbo's funeral???

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Just make sure it is the turbo and not broken (or cracked) ringlands.

I know this from experience... :?
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The engine is running healthy and all the signs point towards turbo oil seals......

Oil around turbo fixings
Slight passing of oil through the BOV
Oil through the intercooler pipes

Spark plugs looked clean and healthy too...

Steve.....that sounds like a plan!! Does he have the adapter on his website??? :thumleft:
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hi mate,

i think he does yeah, failing that drop him an e-mail from his contact page and i'm sure he'll sort you one out.

e-bay also sell them, xs-power though i think???
as long as they are one piece cast things though i shouldn't see a problem with them??!?!?!?

if all else fails.............. buy my car off me :whistle: its in the for sale section at the mo. ha ha ha ha

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-:[KM]:- wrote:Just make sure it is the turbo and not broken (or cracked) ringlands.

I know this from experience... :?


ditto
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2Crooky wrote:The engine is running healthy and all the signs point towards turbo oil seals......

Oil around turbo fixings
Slight passing of oil through the BOV
Oil through the intercooler pipes

Spark plugs looked clean and healthy too...

Steve.....that sounds like a plan!! Does he have the adapter on his website??? :thumleft:


Oil infront of the turbo? If so symptoms of cracked ringlands.
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What do you mean oil in front of turbo????? :?

I'm talkin build up around the intake housing, a little passing through the BOV and some build up around the turbo to intercooler rubber seal......

ITS NOT RINGLANDS!!!!!!

My spark plugs are clean and healthy as well as my compression being spot on......

Why do people suspect serious engine probs every time an oil leak is mentioned!! If it was ringlands i would be thumping oil out the dump valve and sh1tting loads of blue and black smoke out the exhaust!!! The engine has only done 75000 miles :roll:
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Sorry...
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i'm sorry....time of the month :lol: :-s

It just sooo many people panic when they hear of oil leaks on forced induction cars and immediatly assume its a bu88ered engine.....Just gets people worried over what could be nothing.

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2Crooky wrote:Just gets people worried over what could be nothing.


Like you are you mean? :wink: :tongue:
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] When should i book my turbo's funeral???

Post by rossdymond3352 »

My turbo has been doing this for some time, ie, 6 months :lol:

Its using around 200ml per month, but then again i do a lot of miles or used to until i moved last month.

Ross :thumleft:
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Can you actually see oil residue without taking the pipes off? Does the turbo still hit full boost? Have you felt for play? I know blue smoke can be either rings or turbo on way out but if engine sounds okay and has good compression, it's probably turbo then.
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Yep oil build up is visible without needing to take the pipes off......

The turbo is a second hand replacement that only went on the car a year ago so no shaft play........since then i have done supporting mods to the car so chances are my seals went pop :(

Turbo is hitting 1bar with the aid of an MBC 8)
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2Crooky wrote:What do you mean oil in front of turbo????? :?

I'm talkin build up around the intake housing That'll be infront of the turbo, a little passing through the BOV and some build up around the turbo to intercooler rubber seal......

ITS NOT RINGLANDS!!!!!!

My spark plugs are clean and healthy as well as my compression being spot on......

Why do people suspect serious engine probs every time an oil leak is mentioned!! If it was ringlands i would be thumping oil out the dump valve and sh1tting loads of blue and black smoke out the exhaust!!! The engine has only done 75000 miles :roll:


oil infront of the turbo, can't be more clear than that IN-FRONT, turbos have in and out, excess oil in the inlet = cracked ringlands, cold side oil seals don't fail and the pressure differential means even if they did you wouldn't get much oil at all coming out to the front of the turbo, hotside seals failing means oil goes straight down the exhaust causing smokeand no cracked ringlands don't produce loads of blue black smoke out of the exhaust as all the oil ends up in your intercooler. I had zero compression on one cylinder and no exhaust smoke, except right up the top on full boost, you can't see it yourself from the drivers seat you need someone following you.

Why do you think 75,000 miles means it'll be ok mine had 60K on it?

You've had it compression checked in the last week?

With only 75K on it whys your turbo coldside failed, should be good for 120,000?

All I'm trying to make sure it you don't waste your money, make absolutely sure it isn't the engine. If you have excess oil in the pipe from the filter to the turbo after where the cam breather enters then it really looks bad news.

I was in the same situation and bought a stage 1 owens hybrid to cure my "turbo problem", when I gave them my old turbo to hybridise they said cold side seals don't usually go, but if your sure... should have started worrying then, 90% of people on here diagnoised turbo so I went wirth it, put it on and it make things worse. Then JJ saw the post and said you've cracked your ringlands and he was right.
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] When should i book my turbo's funeral???

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Steve b has got a point mate im afraid! when i done my ringlands, my plugs were clean, when i stripped the engine, the piston tops were dry. the car still ticked over pritty ok. there was not much blue smoke from the exhaust and i still managed to pull 268 rwhp & 246 lb/ft @1.3 bar on the rollers with the problem but not knowing what the problem was!

my symptoms were, oil in the Ic pipes etc, some coming out of the BOV, but that was dependant on how much boost i hit -and i was running 1.3-1.6 bar so that's a lot of pressure passing the rings to push the oil out !!

everyone told me it was turbo seals, but i was not convinced. eventually after about 6 months, still using 1.3 bar, it got quite bad and i took it off the road and stripped it. found No3 with all 3 ringlands shattered and a chunk of piston fell off and the rings had seized into the piston! and no 1 iirc had cracked top ringland and broken rings.

It is not normal for the cold side bearing to go, not before the hot side anyway -For obvious reasons really!

but if it is your turbo going (and i hope it is) then be warned, because oil in the CC's increases the risk of detonation!

btw, the amount of miles your engine has done is irrelevant. you only need to Detonate bad once to cause damage!

-Get a proper 'Leak down test' done before you go any further. Compression testers are inaccurate.
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] When should i book my turbo's funeral???

Post by mr2mikey »

errr. notice no one has mentioned pcv system yet???

Do you have a catch can fitted?

number of times i have ssen this and heard it - could just be the pcv breatrhing a little heavy. Try fitting a catch can first nice cheap £30 mod


HTH

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mr2mikey wrote:errr. notice no one has mentioned pcv system yet???

Do you have a catch can fitted?

number of times i have ssen this and heard it - could just be the pcv breatrhing a little heavy. Try fitting a catch can first nice cheap £30 mod


HTH

Cheers

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This is what we're talking about if its putting too much oil out then either your rings are worn out/ becoming worn out or you've cracked a ringland. It shouldn't pass anymore than a bit of vapour. On a healthy engine you should be able to pop a breather filter on the cam cover breather and forgot about it, it should remain dry.
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