are all evo drivers big heads

[Aidy]

if that had all the gizmo's an evo had it wud be just as quick

And quicker still if it had the MR2s gizmos like ABS and traction control.

[BarronMR]

, my rev3 GT-S doesn't have ABS or traction control...

Has some pikey stolen them for their go-faster saloon chariot???

[marc GT Turbo]

if that had all the gizmo's an evo had it wud be just as quick

And quicker still if it had the MR2s gizmos like ABS and traction control.

no abs or traction control on mine !!! i guess i will have to judge the limits for myself aidy

[Aidy]

if that had all the gizmo's an evo had it wud be just as quick

And quicker still if it had the MR2s gizmos like ABS and traction control.

no abs or traction control on mine !!! i guess i will have to judge the limits for myself aidy

No traction control on mine either The fact of the matter is that some MR2s do have TC, no evos have TC. Why? Cos it's a driver's car

Edit to add: Marc's doesn't have ABS cos, like decent suspension design, it had been invented when his car was made, and no NAs come with TC, it's only an option on the turbo. Probably cos Toyota know MR2 drivers can't handle more than 200 BHP on their own

[luthor1]

!!!YES EVO DRIVERS ARE BIG HEADS!!!

[Aidy]

Just to re-iterate - I'd love to meet up, go for pub lunch, enjoy some spirited back-roads and have a good chat with you Aidy...

...is your car still yellow though?

Still yellow and it'll still be in front of yours

[BarronMR]

Just to re-iterate - I'd love to meet up, go for pub lunch, enjoy some spirited back-roads and have a good chat with you Aidy...

...is your car still yellow though?

I'm still yellow but if I finally grew some cahooners it would try be in front of yours

I love this thread.

[speedy_g]

And quicker still if it had the MR2s gizmos like ABS and traction control.

no abs or traction control on mine !!! i guess i will have to judge the limits for myself aidy

No traction control on mine either The fact of the matter is that some MR2s do have TC, no evos have TC. Why? Cos it's a driver's car

Edit to add: Marc's doesn't have ABS cos, like decent suspension design, it had been invented when his car was made, and no NAs come with TC, it's only an option on the turbo. Probably cos Toyota know MR2 drivers can't handle more than 200 BHP on their own

Anybody else confused by this comment?

[Aidy]

Should have been "it hadn't been invented"

[speedy_g]

Lol

It's interesting, I've recently bought a new car and I was seriously considering an EVO.

Whilst I think they are an incredible piece of engineering, I'm not sure if I'd call them a drivers car, simply because a good driver with something like an Exige, would set a faster time around a track.

Conversely, a bad driver with an Exige would probably crash, whereas a bad driver with an Evo wouldn't.

As for the lack of TC, does your car have ACD and AYC?

Also, I was under the impression that the EVO used a McPherson strut design? Surely a truely decent suspension design would involve a double wishbone set up?

Anyway, I've bought a cerbera, which is great, but come winter I may will switch to an EVO, simply because I'm not a good enough driver to keep the thing on the road!

[Aidy]

Whilst I think they are an incredible piece of engineering, I'm not sure if I'd call them a drivers car, simply because a good driver with something like an Exige, would set a faster time around a track.

Only cos it is a better track car. Just cos there are faster cars than the evo doesn't mean it isn't a "driver's car".

Conversely, a bad driver with an Exige would probably crash, whereas a bad driver with an Evo wouldn't.

Not at all. Depending how "bad" you were you'd crash either.

As for the lack of TC, does your car have ACD and AYC?

Neither are any form of traction control. If you lose control of an evo you're own your own. Unlike the TC on an MR2 which is just that...traction control.

Also, I was under the impression that the EVO used a McPherson strut design? Surely a truely decent suspension design would involve a double wishbone set up?

It's wish bones on the back with superior suspension components all round.

[Tiamat]

Edit to add: Marc's doesn't have ABS cos, like decent suspension design, it had been invented when his car was made, and no NAs come with TC, it's only an option on the turbo. Probably cos Toyota know MR2 drivers can't handle more than 200 BHP on their own

Really? Then why have I driven D reg Saabs with ABS?
Why does my 1990 Rev1 have ABS?
Granted it is an option, but the majority of MR2s do not come with traction control.

By the way Aidy, love the "superior suspension components" comment. That clearly supports your case infinitesimally - some more detail might aid the comparison...

[speedy_g]

Surely it's more rewarding to set a fast lap, or drive your favourite road quickly as a result of just your input into the car?

I'm not slating the EVO, it's just that all the electronic components, such as AYC and ACD are unecessary for a truely capable driver, hence why I don't consider it a drivers car.

My tubby still feels more balanced through the corners than my cerbera

[Aidy]

Granted it is an option, but the majority of MR2s do not come with traction control.

Be that as it may....you all go on about the evo having TC when it has no TC yet the MR2 does! LOL. It's sad that you'll stoop to hypocrisy rather than admit the truth.

evo > mr2

[Aidy]

Surely it's more rewarding to set a fast lap, or drive your favourite road quickly as a result of just your input into the car?

It does, which is why driving evos are a great experience.

BTW does your car have a brake servo? Power assisted steering? Is a car only responding to "your inputs" when those inputs are governed by electronic aids your car has...yet when discussing electronic aids your car doesn't have all of a sudden it is driving itself?

"ABS, brake servos, traction control, PAS...they're not driver aids at all. OMFG you have AYC your car drives itself LOL!!!!11"

[speedy_g]

No, you get nothing in a cerbera I'm afraid, just a dirty great v8 and a steering wheel

I think that if we're honest, AYC and EBD while not technically TC allow you to take corners at speeds that would see you end up in a ditch in many other cars.

I think the top gear review of the FQ400 said it all. Jezza is a useless driver, but he still managed to keep up with a professional in a Lambo.

The EVO is a fantastic car, but it flatters the driver

[luthor1]

!!!YES EVO DRIVERS ARE BIG HEADS!!!

[Bibbs]

It's wish bones on the back with superior suspension components all round.

Only at the back? That's a bit poor really isn't it? Surely it should have DW all round.

I don't want an Evo, 'cause I don't like the look of them. I don't like many 4 door saloons though.

Is it an FQ300 you have Aidy? Is that only 300 @ fly? What's the transmittion losses like?

[Aidy]

I think that if we're honest, AYC and EBD while not technically TC allow you to take corners at speeds that would see you end up in a ditch in many other cars.

EVOs don't have EBD. And as has been said, AYC is just an LSD, it won't keep you out of any ditches.

I think the top gear review of the FQ400 said it all. Jezza is a useless driver, but he still managed to keep up with a professional in a Lambo.

The "profession in a Lambo" that spun it? The guy driving the Lambo was responsible for the development of the FQ400. You do the math

The EVO is a fantastic car, but it flatters the driver

:yawn: :yawn: How utterly boring when people just say the same things over and over as if it makes them true.

[Aidy]

What will your excuse be when your EVO struggles to keep up?

I won't need one

My car will have no driver aids at all.

Good for you. Maybe your next car should be an evo rs where you don't need to do any work to remove the aids as it doesn't have them in the first place?