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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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Hello folks,
Now I feel that people have got egos, but being lovers of all sorts of cars we need to respect every car :lol:

I do agree that a 3 series BMW can make mince meat of either the n/a or the turbo, lets see

a 3 series bmw in action

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and in daylight

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Enough said.

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

And getting back on topic I honestly can say that the evo should be the better car as it was built by Jesus himself :thumleft:

The mr2 sadly was built by mere mortals.

Now Aidy where is my evo :(

I have been a good boy all my life, save the few bad things i have done and repented dearly. I want to earn enough money and buy an Evo and every car I want and like :pray:
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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WTF, putting up a picture of a race spec BMW is as much use as putting up a picture of the Toyota F1 car to fight the MR2 vs EVO arguement :roll:

How about another 3 series in action...

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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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Another post losses its way....

Other cars may or may not handle better/differently to the Mk2 Tubby but if you like it, can handle it and get used to it then theres no reason you cant hold your own in the twisty bits with almost anything else!

(as long as it doesnt get wet... lol)

As for odd pictures of race spec German motors.. That makes about as much sence as the idiots driving ford fiesta's with shares in Halfrauds and a subscription to PaxMower, pass me the Chocolate Teapot. My mouth tastes a funny colour!
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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Lauren wrote:
V8Killer wrote:And she drives a barge :roll:

I don't see how people can judge a car, without actually putting some serious time in it...am not talking about a couple of laps around a track either!


I've driven a number of tubbys on different tracks, so i've had enough time to understand how they handle.

A 5 series beemer would be a barge, a three series however would not be a barge. FWIW the 3 series easily out handles an MR2.


Back when the Rev 3 Tubby was at around 325BHP it was consistently 2.5 seconds quicker around Donnington then the company barge (E46 M3)!

Lauren wrote:FWIW the 3 series easily out handles an MR2.


Seems to me you just haven't got to grips with the Mk2 Turbo, have you? :eye:
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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michael wrote:WTF, putting up a picture of a race spec BMW is as much use as putting up a picture of the Toyota F1 car to fight the MR2 vs EVO arguement :roll:

How about another 3 series in action...

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LOL!!! Look at the driver! Typical!!!

Sorry i just couldn't stop myself laughing!!!

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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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michael wrote:WTF, putting up a picture of a race spec BMW is as much use as putting up a picture of the Toyota F1 car to fight the MR2 vs EVO arguement :roll:

How about another 3 series in action...

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My dear Michael I think reading this will make you understand my post of the m3gtr :tongue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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If you've been on IMOC long enough, you'd come to realise MC is the most sarcastic individual on the board :mrgreen: , all be it with his dry humour 8)

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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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Personally I don't see why people make such a big deal about the MR2's handling. It behaves more less as you would expect a rear heavy RWD car to behave.

Plus all this talk about how the car (yes, in particular the turbo) would give poor lap times because of the way they handle is not necessarily true. If you give a higher powered car decent grippy tyres it is going to give you faster lap times in general as was shown in a recent hot hatch shootout in Top Gear magazine.

Besides the turbo is an extremely capable car that can hold its own with a lot of more modern and more expensive vehicles.

In fact there was a video circulating the internet by Best Motoring that showed 7 unmodified cars being raced around a circuit over several laps by professional drivers.

The end position results along with each car's best lap time was as follows:

1) Supra RZ 1'06"75 (Lap 2)
2) GT-R V-spec 1'07"09 (Lap 2)
3) NSX 1'08"71 (Lap 5)
4) 911 1'08"46 (Lap 5)
5) MR2 GTS 1'08"75 (Lap 4)
6) NSX-T (Auto) 1'10"52 (Lap 2)
The RX-7 RZ had problems and did not finish the race but did post a best lap time of 1'08"92 (Lap 2) whilst it was out there.

As you can see the stock tubby is posting a best lap time that is almost identicle to the NSX which is a bit of a legend in the handling stakes.

Now maybe most normal drivers wouldn't be able to drive it like that (I know I couldn't as my driving sucks :mrgreen: ) but it definately shows how capable the Tubby is even in stock form :D
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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star_gazer wrote:
My dear Michael I think reading this will make you understand my post of the m3gtr :tongue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm



If that's your best attempt at sarcasm I'm afraid it's you who needs to read that link and study more.
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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Lauren wrote:
mattcambs wrote:
Lauren, why do you also feel the need to slate mk2 turbos? :roll:

For you to say that tubbies are not 'by any means' drivers car is just as ridiculous as all the comments slating EVOs.

It's not about engine layout or anything else that automatically defines a car, it's about who the car appeals to and how much enjoyment owners get from them.

Anyone sensible would agree that tubbies have slightly flawed/idiosyncratic handling, but how does that stop them being a drivers' car? I hardly find them a refined GT car either. If I wanted a proper GT for a similar price I would have got an S14a or a 328i coupe.

Lauren as an IMOC moderator, please support us mk2 owners a bit more and be a bit less patronising. :D

Matt


I am providing balance to the discussion. I've driven a lot of cars on track including tubbys. The only one that was any good had tein suspension all round. Ones on standard suspension do not have a well balanced chassis in all honesty. If you agree that tubbys have 'flawed/idiosyncratic handling' then i don't see what you are arguing about because you are reinforcing my point.


I am not talking about whether a car handles well or not, I'm talking about whether it's a drivers car or not ON THE ROAD ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) .
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!!!YES EVO DRIVERS ARE BIG HEADS!!!
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luthor1 wrote:
Is that why I repeatdly overtook you in yours at Anglesey in 2006?

It's slow.

(edit) to be fair she was gooning around a lot, but still, it was no competition at all. The MR2 was WAY faster.


I was as you say gooning around, running on 4 year old tyres that were pretty plastic. It was a trackday not a race, i was just having fun going sideways, i wasn't interested in whether other cars were going quicker than me or not.
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vodkaprince wrote:Another post losses its way....

Other cars may or may not handle better/differently to the Mk2 Tubby but if you like it, can handle it and get used to it then theres no reason you cant hold your own in the twisty bits with almost anything else!

(as long as it doesnt get wet... lol)

As for odd pictures of race spec German motors.. That makes about as much sence as the idiots driving ford fiesta's with shares in Halfrauds and a subscription to PaxMower, pass me the Chocolate Teapot. My mouth tastes a funny colour!


Tbh though, a mid-engined car has the advantage in the wet if anything. The tubby just doesn't have the balance of other cars i've driven on track. Toni's tubby on Tein suspension was actually really good, sure the throttle response of a turbo can never compare to an NA, but it actually handled really nicely. But a stock tubby doesn't have that kind of balance out of the box.
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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mattcambs wrote:
I am not talking about whether a car handles well or not, I'm talking about whether it's a drivers car or not ON THE ROAD ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) .


Well, put simply there are many other cars out there that are simply better driver cars.
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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So Aidy, why didn't yo go for an NSX instead of the EVO? You must have paid around 14k for it, and you can get an early NSX for that? :?
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Lauren wrote:
mattcambs wrote:
I am not talking about whether a car handles well or not, I'm talking about whether it's a drivers car or not ON THE ROAD ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) .


Well, put simply there are many other cars out there that are simply better driver cars.


Lauren, Surely its all down to the "driver" and his/her taste, style and skill?.. That is assuming of course that they have at least some of one of the three. If they didnt then they would drive ladas, robins or SMART cars..
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Kongaroo wrote:
1) Supra RZ 1'06"75 (Lap 2)
2) GT-R V-spec 1'07"09 (Lap 2)
3) NSX 1'08"71 (Lap 5)
4) 911 1'08"46 (Lap 5)
5) MR2 GTS 1'08"75 (Lap 4)
6) NSX-T (Auto) 1'10"52 (Lap 2)


Now, i might be completely missing something here but how did the NSX beat the 911? It seems to me the 911 was almost 0.3 of a second faster.

Scott =op
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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Kongaroo wrote:
1) Supra RZ 1'06"75 (Lap 2)
2) GT-R V-spec 1'07"09 (Lap 2)
3) NSX 1'08"71 (Lap 5)
4) 911 1'08"46 (Lap 5)
5) MR2 GTS 1'08"75 (Lap 4)
6) NSX-T (Auto) 1'10"52 (Lap 2)


Yet people here still call the Supra a barge and insist the MR2 will slaughter it on track... much like those same people are doing with the EVO....

End of the day the majority of members of *ANY* enthusiast website will have a bias towards their chosen car, that's why they chose to buy it.

Who gives a toss, just enjoy what you have.
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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Scotster wrote:
Now, i might be completely missing something here but how did the NSX beat the 911? It seems to me the 911 was almost 0.3 of a second faster.

Scott =op


You are completely missing something :)

That's the fastest lap they did, it was a multi-lap race, the NSX was consistently faster than the 911 on the other laps.
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Re: are all evo drivers big heads

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michael wrote:
star_gazer wrote:
My dear Michael I think reading this will make you understand my post of the m3gtr :tongue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm



If that's your best attempt at sarcasm I'm afraid it's you who needs to read that link and study more.


Ok reading it ...

Argghhh, I shouldn't have posted a wiki link, he has edited it to include childish references ](*,) Thankfully some soul edited it out "removed childish reference to online clubhouses"

MC go on tell us what online clubhouse :wink:
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