[Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

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simo1973
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[Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

Post by simo1973 »

Getting fed up with my car now.the f---er wont start on a cold mornig. all iggy stuff is new.timming is sorted and just fitted a cold start timmer switch. its been fine all week then this morning it wouldnt start, so i left it on the front all day, went to work in the wifes car, got home this afternoon, tried the car and the little sh!t started first time.
so were do go now. im sick of spending money on it.
simo1973
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

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been to see some who knows a lot on toyotas, he recomended me to change my coil pack, as they can cause probs.
I guess this is a toyota part only?? maybe try a second hand one. :thumleft:
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

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I assume you changed your ht leads, specifically the "king" lead that connects to the doil from the dizzy. This was the cause of my problems.
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

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I assume you changed your ht leads, specifically the "king" lead that connects to the doil from the dizzy. This was the cause of my problems.
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

Post by foxy-stoat »

It may be damp getting into the dizzy or coil pack.

Was it raining the night before?

When my old turbo didnt start one morning, had to jump in the trusty n/a, i came back later in the day and fired first time!

It was the dizzy seal thing wasnt in there properly and let in damp/water into the dizzy cap. It had dryed out in the afternoon.

Have a look at the dizzy seal, just incase its not on there properly

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simo1973
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

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no . the leads are the only thing i havnt done.they look ok that was all.
is the king lead the one in the middle of the cap. can you just by that one .
cheers for reply. :thumleft:
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cheers foxy . will have a look. yes its fine on a night,but :thumleft: next morning wont fire up, some mornings its ok.
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

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Yes the king lead is the one that goes from the middle of the cap to the coil. Be careful when you take it off the coil as it may have corroded due to moisture and will snap easily. Due to its location, water can easily run down the cable and collect at the coil connection. This was what caused me a major headache. Like you I changed everything else except the bloody leads.
Unfortunatly you cant get this lead by itself, you need to buy the full set, unless you try your toyota dealership but I rekon they will charge a fortune for it, you may as well buy the full set.
You can buy really fancy ones for £100+ but I wouldnt bother, as you wont see any difference. I paid about £40 for mine, Ive had them for 3 years and they're still like new. If you change these I rekon it will be problem solved :D
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

Post by 2Crooky »

Altenator?????????

Surely this would be suspect........May be that the battery is discharging every night after you drive it???
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I dont rekon it would be the alternator as the engine is ticking over, a flat battery would only produce a ticking noise.
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there is plenty of power in the battery,sometimes if i turn the key,and let it turn for about 20 secounds it can start, if i then rev it to burn of all the fuel,then turn it off, then it will fire up first time.
were did you get your 40 quid leads from.
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I got mine from Motorworld but I think they only have branches across the north west. Go to any motor factor and you will be able to get them there for around that price. :D
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

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Well got my leads,had them on for 2 days now. starting fine but we havnt had a cold morning to put it to the test. ht leads cost £35. il let you"s know how i get on when its cold :thumleft:
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Post by jason_pmr2 »

I hadthis problem a while back. Bought a new dizzy cap and rotor arm and that was it, problem solved.
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I would also recommend doing the following; get some heat proof gaffer tape (silver stuff) and tape around the area where the dizzy cap meets the distributor, also tape up any loose connections and to be doubly sure tape around the ht leads where they meet the plugs and where the leads connect onto the cap and coil. Ive done this and I havent had any problems (touch wood). Do this and I rekon youll have it sorted.
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simo1973 wrote:there is plenty of power in the battery,sometimes if i turn the key,and let it turn for about 20 secounds it can start, if i then rev it to burn of all the fuel,then turn it off, then it will fire up first time.
were did you get your 40 quid leads from.
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Just seen this thread and thought I'd add some bits.

I've just recently bought leads. The Toyota branded leads were quoted @ £119 from my local dealer! I ended up getting the Magnecor KV85 leads from http://www.motorsportworld.co.uk/ for £75 delivered.

I find it odd though that as you say above the car will eventually start after 20+ seconds of turning it...and then it will start first time.

I would have thought if there was a problem with the dizzy cap or leads that this wouldn't be the case...have you checked the fuel supply? I'm not overly mechanical myself but could it be that you're not getting any fuel for a while - maybe by trying to start it in the morning and then leaving it the fuel is filtering through by the evening?

As a test, could you try and start it - if it doesn't start leave it for say 10mins (long enough for the fuel to filter through) and then retry it?

I might be talking out of my ar$e :clown: but it wouldn't cost anything to try.

cheers


Wayne
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

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there is plenty of fuel getting in, cos when i do get it started there is loads of un burnt fuel comming out of the exhaust. and i have tried to start it then left it then gone back with no luck. cheers :thumleft:
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Post by blue2 »

I had pretty much the same problem as this. It often took many attempts to start the car and I eventually had to buy a new battery I flattenend it so many times. The problem was most noticable after rain or during moist, cold weather. The rain would get into the engine via the vents, hit the ht leads and run down to the coil where it would collect the plug. My coil lead was so corroded from the moisture that it snapped off inside the coil whn I tried to take it off.
Im 99.99% sure you have the same problem, its very common with these cars due to the vents in the engine bay. :D
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Post by draw »

I have the same problem with my n/a when its cold or very wet
i have new leads and plugs and there is no water getting in to them
all i can think of is the dizzy cap and rotor arm themselves
it took 2 hours to start it up the other day, it only started after i flooded the outside of the dizzy cap with tonnes of WD40 then it started first time
wish i had thought of that before i flattened the battery trying to started
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Re: [Mk2] [NA] STIILL wont start on some mornings.

Post by JeffD »

These keepthe damp out of your dizzy caps - recommend you change them when you change your cap :-)

4th item down

http://www.flashmetal.com/index.asp?fun ... T&catid=55
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