Can you RED LINE an N/A?

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Can you RED LINE an N/A?

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i have a 91 n/a and in an other post i was asked if i red lined the gears during a challenge i had and lost :x i change gear at between 5k to 5.5k revs when im driving it hard, can u push further, and does pushing further actually gain u any more power, the engine changes tone past that and i worry about the health of the engine. replys from N/A owners/ previous owners would be preffered...cheers in advance!

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Karl :lol: no wonder you lost. 5-5.5 k? :roll: LOL

take it to 6.8ish and you will feel the difference. These cars need to have the revs kept up to make the best of them! :wink:

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Redlining isn't really necessary. You want to change up at peak power, whatever that is.

for example on my MK1 the redline is 7700rpm. Peak power is 6600rpm, so thats when i change up.

There's nothing to be gained by going past peak power.
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I was lead to believe that's where all the power was!
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The peak power will vary depending on the engine. For example a Rev 1 tubby will run out of steam maybe at 6k, whereas a Rev3+ will keep going till 7k. Try experimenting (on a 1/4 mile track is possible) to see which gives you the most power.

btw. If your engine is healthy redlining it wont harm it (although try and not bounce it off the rev limiter!).
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i wouldnt say it wasnt in tip top condition, bit more like me, slightly lazy and most the time cant be bothered lol but im gona experiment, i would never red line it anyway, ill try stretchin to 6 for a bit, then 6.5 but not over that....does the change in engine tone mean i shouldnt do this? it a gradual build up in tone then it drops to more of a straining sound which stays constant....bad sign? to be expected? also im due a cambelt change soon....so shud that matter? i phoned toyota and they said after the first change, come the next one if it hasnt gone it never will? so ive left it.

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Karl wrote:i have a 91 n/a and in an other post i was asked if i red lined the gears during a challenge i had and lost :x i change gear at between 5k to 5.5k revs when im driving it hard, can u push further, and does pushing further actually gain u any more power, the engine changes tone past that and i worry about the health of the engine. replys from N/A owners/ previous owners would be preffered...cheers in advance!

Karl


That's what a redline is therefore,use it man use it! :lol:
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Karl wrote:i wouldnt say it wasnt in tip top condition, bit more like me, slightly lazy and most the time cant be bothered lol but im gona experiment, i would never red line it anyway, ill try stretchin to 6 for a bit, then 6.5 but not over that....does the change in engine tone mean i shouldnt do this? it a gradual build up in tone then it drops to more of a straining sound which stays constant....bad sign? to be expected? also im due a cambelt change soon....so shud that matter? i phoned toyota and they said after the first change, come the next one if it hasnt gone it never will? so ive left it.

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The redline on the rev counter is there for good reason. It means its safe to rev to the redline (and a little beyond). Of course the tone of the engine will change but thats fine, don't worry about it.

For example i've taken a MK1 NA to over 8000rpm before with no problems at all. Its the kind of thing that you try not to do all the time, but driving to the redline (7Kish on a MK2 NA?) will be fine. Cambelt is more likely to snap if you labour the engine than rev it high.

Not quite sure why toyota told you that! How many miles since the last cambelt change?

It shoudl be done every 60K. I wouldn't run it over its not worth the hassle if it does break.
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its now 117k and was last done at 68k believe, have to double check that!
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Lauren wrote:
It shoudl be done every 60K. I wouldn't run it over its not worth the hassle if it does break.


How much hassle is it if it does break? - the guy who did mine this week told me that it wouldnt do any serious harm to the engine if it did break - non-contact engine?
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when driving my N\A hard i notice engine tone change from 5/5.5k upwards - it sounds like it could be the induction kit doing this.

I notice that up at the 6k point the pull starts to drop off a bit.

Id make sure she is oiled up properly if your driving hard

My question is does this high rev gear changes strain the clutch ?
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Barney wrote:when driving my N\A hard i notice engine tone change from 5/5.5k upwards - it sounds like it could be the induction kit doing this.

I notice that up at the 6k point the pull starts to drop off a bit.

Id make sure she is oiled up properly if your driving hard

My question is does this high rev gear changes strain the clutch ?


It doesn't strain the clutch at all. Rushing gear changes doesn't do the clutch any good, but there really is no reason to do this as the gains are not worthwhile. It puts more strain on the syncros if you rush it.
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i personally think the N/A is only starting to sing at 5.5k rpm.When i had mine i brought it right to 7k rpm before changing gear.Those wee engines are bullet proof and as long as you give it regular oil changes you wont have any problems.
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peak power on n/a's are 6800rpm and 7100rpm depending on year so basically if you want it to go fast thats what you should rev it to. The change in tone is the ACIS opening that gives you more power.
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isnt it the TVIS or am i confusing that with something else?
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on the way home i tried it out....xxxx yeh :rambo: :thumright:

will be reving harder now for sure, got loads more out of it!!! xxxx wish id known before and maybe that hatch back wudnt of got a lead on me!! the extra power is gr8!

neway i have to go now, going out, so chat more about it all later on, cheers

Karl \:D/
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WTF did you think the redline meant :?
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with certain cars there is a need to take the rpm past peak power point...so on the upshift you dont drop out the power band...think type r. 7100rpm should do it.
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as above. My MIVEC kicks in at 5500 revs. peak power is around 7000-7500 revs. redline is at 8250. if i change at 7500 revs, next gear revs in at 4000 which means it is out of MIVEC and bloody slow. If i change at 8250, next gear comes in at 5500 revs, which gives me a tad more power.
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pizza boy wrote:with certain cars there is a need to take the rpm past peak power point...so on the upshift you dont drop out the power band...think type r. 7100rpm should do it.


If the gearing is right you shouldn't need to really.
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