xxxx and IMOC-UK

[jeffry-]

Waa is this a censorship forum or what , this is disgusting TB has constantly offered to help me when i had problems with my boost controller yet here i see him banned.

Why don't you ban the people winding him up ?

Typical , why is it the people causing the problem dont get banned but the guy who responds because he's had enough gets a slap on the wrist and told he's on perm.

If its not Lauren in the driving experiences dragging people down for having some fun and insulting people , when we see her doing exactly the opposite of what she says off the forum. Then this with TB..

Not impressed

[Lauren]

Waa is this a censorship forum or what , this is disgusting TB has constantly offered to help me when i had problems with my boost controller yet here i see him banned.

Why don't you ban the people winding him up ?

Typical , why is it the people causing the problem dont get banned but the guy who responds because he's had enough gets a slap on the wrist and told he's on perm.

If its not Lauren in the driving experiences dragging people down for having some fun and insulting people , when we see her doing exactly the opposite of what she says off the forum. Then this with TB..

Not impressed

With all due respect you do not know about the circumstances. He was banned for his business misconduct as i have already stated.

Also Tim caused the problem. He has admitted to it, his behaviour was unnaceptable, he received another formal warning to add to the two he already had, that results in a ban.

You are talking absolute rubbish. Are you talking about me saying i put my foot down on the motorway in July 2001? What i may have wrote 6 years ago on my own webshite has nothing whatsoever to with IMOC. This board didn't exist back then.

I see its getting personal now. Do you have a grudge or something?

The decision to ban Tim was not mine alone, it was a decision reached by the Committee as a whole.

[Tiamat]

Waa is this a censorship forum or what , this is disgusting TB has constantly offered to help me when i had problems with my boost controller yet here i see him banned.

Why don't you ban the people winding him up ?

Typical , why is it the people causing the problem dont get banned but the guy who responds because he's had enough gets a slap on the wrist and told he's on perm.

If its not Lauren in the driving experiences dragging people down for having some fun and insulting people , when we see her doing exactly the opposite of what she says off the forum. Then this with TB..

Not impressed

I refer you to earlier comments, this was not a ban in itself but a 3rd warning that means a ban is issued. This is not down to one incident.

You can also not "pin" this on Lauren. The Admin Committee ALL voted on this issue are careful talks and deliberation, it was not entered into lightly nor was it led by one individual.

I understand that Tim has a lot of support on this forum and I whilst I have never dealt with him myself, I understand that he has advised and assisted many members and is deserving of that support.

However he broke the forum rules as has been detailed previously and the conduct has lead to a ban.

Please everyone, can we let this matter lie. Tim was spoken to throughout the process, he has had his chance to speak to the Committee and has done so. You will have seen the message from Tim sent via Redeye32uk, please read what he says and take on board what he says about the process as well.

[EarL]

Just backing up what Malc has said.

I can assure you, there's nobody more dissapointed in the outcome of this than me. xxxx is my main sponsor, but the facts are, Tim broke the rules, not once, not twice, but three times, which has resulted in a ban.

Having seen the evidence, and spoken to Tim since, he openly admits that he was at fault, and that the third warning was justified. If you don't believe me, ring him and ask him yourself! The fault here does not lie with the committee. They were only enforcing the same rules that apply to ALL OF US, and it took a considerable time to come to that outcome.

Perhaps that will put an end to this sad saga.

EarL.

[jeffry-]

If all has been said , why keep the thread open?

[Jaspa]

If all has been said , why keep the thread open?

As speedy has already said:

If we locked this initially, another post would have come up somewhere else, and another one etc etc, it's just the nature of things. We have to have a kind of release valve somewhere for people to talk about these things, and we want to be open about why these things happen.

But we are keeping an eye on this thread, and we will moderate it if needs be.

What reaction were you looking for?

[markiii]

i think as a human being u have the ability to see outside the facts and make acceptions. I would like to think that the people that be on IMOC could take Tims valued reputation, popularity and personality into account and take an action acordingly, sometimes its about seeing beyond the facts. Human compassion, one of our better qualitys.

I dont want to argue about this, it is just my opinion that you and others have utimately taken the wrong decission.

Karl

Speaking as someone who runs another club, you can't have rules if you make exceptions.

And trust me a club teh size of IMOC wouldn't survive without rules. If you don't feel teh rules are fair run for election and try changing them.

[Keisuke]

Allegations against other members have been looked into and no supporting evidence was found.

I find this quite unbelievable, seeing how the email was posted up on here, which was also backed up, and now seems to be removed.

Then as if to make it worse the "other affiliate" posted negatave and unsupported comments about xxxx (which where edited to be removed afterwards) and it appears neither of these two actions have had any resulting actions agains't the "other affiliate".

Just can't seem to quite understand that especially as it involves peoples livleyhood - it's not like you dont advertise for free on here.

[tonigmr2]

How do you know there were no actions against any other affiliates? Warnings are not generally publicised either way.

New member eh?
T

[Speedy]

Things which were edited and removed were either not true, or based upon those statements which were not true.

[Keisuke]

How do you know there were no actions against any other affiliates? Warnings are not generally publicised either way.

New member eh?
T

Seems a shame you want to pick up on that I am a new member when there is important issue's at hand - the fact that I joined before this should say something!

Things which were edited and removed were either not true, or based upon those statements which were not true.

If the email was backed up then why is it not true?

[tonigmr2]

Seems a shame you want to pick up on that I am a new member when there is important issue's at hand - the fact that I joined before this should say something!

Not really, anyone can register multiple accounts just in case.
Call me suspicious, I don't mind.
T

[Keisuke]

Seems a shame you want to pick up on that I am a new member when there is important issue's at hand - the fact that I joined before this should say something!

Not really, anyone can register multiple accounts just in case.
Call me suspicious, I don't mind.
T

True enough and a fair statement - I guess you will just have to not be paranoid on this one, again this is not about me.

Still don't seem to have an answer for the question from my first post?

[tonigmr2]

You did get an answer, for all you know they racked up a warning. If he's not had any previously this wouldn't lead to a ban. Tim was banned due to three such warnings.

T

[Lauren]

Allegations against other members have been looked into and no supporting evidence was found.

I find this quite unbelievable, seeing how the email was posted up on here, which was also backed up, and now seems to be removed.

Then as if to make it worse the "other affiliate" posted negatave and unsupported comments about xxxx (which where edited to be removed afterwards) and it appears neither of these two actions have had any resulting actions agains't the "other affiliate".

Just can't seem to quite understand that especially as it involves peoples livleyhood - it's not like you dont advertise for free on here.

Excuse me? Are you a friend of Tim's?

Emails are nothing to do with IMOC. Anything outside of IMOC is not our concern and will not be looked into, nor will it be considered.

[Keisuke]

You did get an answer, for all you know they racked up a warning. If he's not had any previously this wouldn't lead to a ban. Tim was banned due to three such warnings.

T

How do we know if they get a warning then?

I am also not questionning the banning of TBDevelopment's wether it being through provocation from another affiliate or not!

[redeye32uk]

Emails are nothing to do with IMOC. Anything outside of IMOC is not our concern and will not be looked into, nor will it be considered.

yeah just look through blinkers.... ignore half the facts ....

[Keisuke]

Allegations against other members have been looked into and no supporting evidence was found.

I find this quite unbelievable, seeing how the email was posted up on here, which was also backed up, and now seems to be removed.

Then as if to make it worse the "other affiliate" posted negatave and unsupported comments about xxxx (which where edited to be removed afterwards) and it appears neither of these two actions have had any resulting actions agains't the "other affiliate".

Just can't seem to quite understand that especially as it involves peoples livleyhood - it's not like you dont advertise for free on here.

Excuse me? Are you a friend of Tim's?

Emails are nothing to do with IMOC. Anything outside of IMOC is not our concern and will not be looked into, nor will it be considered.

This is about the banning of xxxx et al - not about me - I may be a friend of Tims I may not be.

So if emails are not entered into then the other affiliate has no warning then - so to all the companies that advertise on here can say what they want through emails to tarnish the reputation of other affiliates with no fear of warnings or bannings on here. I'm sorry but that is not using all of the information available - ignoring information is discusting behaviour.

This is nothing against the admin team of IMOC - im just asking questions and expressing my freedom of speech (or typing!) as this all seems quite unbelieveable!

[jmachling]

There doesn't seem to be much of this sentiment, but I just want to offer my appreciation and support for a committee that isn't shy in making tough decisions; a rare thing.

[Lauren]

Emails are nothing to do with IMOC. Anything outside of IMOC is not our concern and will not be looked into, nor will it be considered.

yeah just look through blinkers.... ignore half the facts ....

Our jurisdiction is within this forum. Surely you can see that there is no way we could even consider anything outside of it?

Why don't you think about it?