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[Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

Post by inky »

Any help on this is much appreciated, I've had the radio out so many times!

Basically my aerial won't go up and down although it used to.

Previous car owner has chopped and cut wires all over the place so its been fun to try working out whats what.

I now have a headunit I've installed and it doesn't have the same amount of wires my old one did. My Sony had "Remote Amp" and "Power Aerial". This one just has "Power Aerial".

From what I remember the aerial needs two signals, one is power and the other is the signal to tell it to move when the radio is activated. I had my Sony's "Remote Amp" wired into the loom to provide the necessary signal and "Power Aerial" was the power supply.

On the wiring diagram PDF I found that the wires needed in the mess behind my stereo are PINK-BLUE and BLACK-GREEN. I've found the PINK-BLUE but the other wire is nowhere to be found.

I've checked the connector to the aerial in the boot and the GREEN-BLACK is there - but its not behind the stereo. There are about 10 spare wires but no GREEN-BLACK.

Can anyone help? Or shouldl I just get a Halfords replacement? I was thinking of taking the spoiler off anyway so it wouldn't matter about the height of the mast.
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

Post by Vindezal »

got mine to work after a day at Toyota Garage!

I have an alpine headunit. turn on, aerial goes up, turn off aerial goes down

something to do with joing 2 wires together tis all.

the aerial has 2 sensor inputs. it needs to know to go up and down. thus why the original cd/tape does fine.

sorry cant tell you what colour.. :-&
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

Post by inky »

Hiya

Yeah I knew about the two sensor inputs, but using what's available behind the stereo isn't making it work.

What I think I'll have to do is wire the aerial straight to the battery and install a switch so I can control it. Anything's better than the static I listen to.

I know its not an important job but knowing it doesn't work really irritates me! :evil:
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

Post by spud_edwards »

inky wrote:
I now have a headunit I've installed and it doesn't have the same amount of wires my old one did. My Sony had "Remote Amp" and "Power Aerial". This one just has "Power Aerial".

On the wiring diagram PDF I found that the wires needed in the mess behind my stereo are PINK-BLUE and BLACK-GREEN. I've found the PINK-BLUE but the other wire is nowhere to be found.

I've checked the connector to the aerial in the boot and the GREEN-BLACK is there - but its not behind the stereo. There are about 10 spare wires but no GREEN-BLACK.


I am having the same problem - no green/black wire behind the head unit. I went to the boot where the aerial is and spliced the plink/blue and green/black wires before they went into the relay and connected the pink/blue wire to my aerial power wire from my stereo but this didn't work, :mad: anyone no why not? Surely the relay would then think both wires are live?

Also the amp has been removed from my car and replaced with 6x9s direct from the head unit. Great sound but would this affect the aerial?

I havn't actually tested to see if the aerial does work :oops: is there an easy way to do this?

Inky, the stereo I'm trying to wire in is a sony, can you remember how yours was?

Cheers for your help guys!
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

Post by inky »

With regards to the aerial...

I remember when I finally got it working correctly it was so simple, I can't believe I was stressing over it for so long. Unfortunately I didn't have any heat-shrink or proper bullet connectors so it was only held together with black tape and in the end it all fell apart.

:oops:

The car is now at Rogue having MOT work so when I get it back I will have a look. One thing is, the aerial might have sort of frozen from lack of use so I will take it to bits for a clean down and re-install it before I fiddle with the loom behind the stereo.

Its a REALLY EASY JOB, just give me a couple of hours and I WILL solve this! :)

*EDIT* As I said in my first post, the two wires I used were "Remote Amp" and "Power Aerial". "Amp" was used as a power signal, and "Aerial" was the activation up/down signal. As I see it, the aerial is in a constant state of "down" until it gets a signal from the "Power Aerial" wire and then it goes up. Once that signal is turned off it reverts to the down position.

When I get it back I will test my theory anyway.
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

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Inky

Any clues on how to wire these bl**dy things to an after market stereo then [-o<

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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

Post by inky »

Sorry Paul, I've been pi$$ed about at work the past week and haven't had much time to do this. Plus any spare time I do have was spent on the MOT being sorted :(

BUT I do have this weekend free (so far), so I will begin my fiddling, cutting, chopping and swearing nice and early and post any good news.

:thumleft:
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

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Well here we go again.

As I don't have time to strip out the stereo and start fiddling with wires I have decided the first thing to do is check the aerial is ok. With this in mind I took a few pics and made some notes. Its not hard, just make sure you don't lose any bits, there are some tiny pieces that might drop out.

Once you've disconnected it and removed it, you'll start with this

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The easy way to make sure your mast isn't siezed or stuck is to take out the motor which is basically two bolts, on the top. Note which way the TOYOTA stamp is facing, if you re-assemble it the other way the motor will be going up and down in the wrong directions

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Note that there is a small metal connector under one of the bolts, to get this out the way you need to remove the grey metal frame completely. This is just 3 screws, one holds a black earth wire to the corner of the plastic. Also the two motor bolts go into small nuts that may drop out if you're not careful.

Right... if you've managed to get the motor off in one easy step then well done, cos it sometimes sticks and only the brass casing comes off. BE CAREFUL - there is a tiny ball bearing on the end of the motor and it might fall out. If your motor is out now, you can extend the mast by pulling it, but keep hold of the black portion and stop it from coming out of the assembly, its a bit of a pain to get the plastic strip back in.

You should now have this:

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I had to take some of the internals out of the gear area so those extra bits you can see will not be part of the mess you are dealing with ... read on :)

You can now WD-40, grease, clean, whatever you have - do it to your mast and keep it nice and clean. If your mast won't come up then it might be siezed by dirt, or your gears are broken/jammed, or the motor is seized by rust/water/rain.

So, next (messy) step. Put your motor bolts back in for now.

Remove the 8mm nut and remove the centre spindle. Take the screws out of the black plastic. You will need to prise the cover off with a flat screwdriver, as it is glued down with that black gluey crap they put on your doors to hold the plastic sheeting. Once you've taken the cover off you'll see this:

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Take the large strip-housing (on the left, the big circular yellow thing) and slowly remove it, the strip might pop out and splat you with grease, tough luck! Uncoil the plastic strip so you can get to the metal plate underneath. Pick that out with your dirty fingernails and you will see a large plastic cog and a little one, looking like this:

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Take out the small gear cog (as I have done in the pic). You should now be able to remove the motor assembly completely when you take your bolts out again.

The mast is now free to move up and down. You can take it out and extend it fully, or leave it in place and extend it. Clean it, grease it, whatever.

The tricky part is putting it together, although its not that hard if you think what you're doing. I am going to assume you have taken the mast and plastic strip out to clean them.

First, leave out the motor.

Now, put your gear cog back in.

Leave the mast extended and the plastic strip will be protruding from the base of the blacksection by about 9 inches. Slide the plastic strip into the aluminium shaft, it will probably stick a few times but eventually it will poke back into the main gear area of the aerial. Once you can see it coming, push so it goes half way round the area so the end is coming back upwards towards the motor. Put the metal plate back in position, and slide more of the aerial down. It will poke out at the side of the metal plate, you can now place the large round yellow strip housing back in place. The strip will advance and be guided into the housing as you push the aerial down, and the pressure will build on the housing so this is the time to put the other half of the black casing back in place, and use the spindle nut and bolt to secure it.

Right! You can now push the aerial full down with no risk of it popping out or all over your garage / bedroom / kitchen / etc. Clean your hands, and you can now - as long as you hold the black portion of the mast in place - extend and clean it again if you wish. If you can feel jamming or hesitation as your aerial goes up and down then you may have broken teeth or grit and dirt in the plastic gears. If your twig movement is smooth, put the screws back into the black casing and slide the aerial all the way in.

Now, check your motor. If its loose and you can rotate it by hand then its very likely fine, a bit of resistance due to magnets is good. If its solid as a rock and rusty to boot then your motor is knackered :(

If its fine, you can wiggle your working motor back into position on the assembly and put the bolts/nuts back. Screw the grey frame back on and your double-checked aerial is now ready to re-install in your boot, remembering the all-important rain-drainage pipe.

Next post: Looking at the wiring behind the stereo :(
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

Post by inky »

This post: not fiddling with the stereo wires!

Have just put the aerial back in place in the boot and plugged everything back in. Just like before, it doesn't work.

I took it back out and spliced 3 wires into the loom on the relays, one wire to each of these: red/white (signal) black (power +) and black/white (ground). I thought these would have been enough to power the aerial up and extend the mast. When I connected them direct to the battery though, nothing happened, I hadn't expected that.

Next idea was to try spud_edwards' trick. I exposed all 3 wires and put the aerial back in the boot location and plugged it in, had the igntion electrics on and the stereo on. I then got a long length of wire and connected it to the + battery terminal. I tried touching the power to the red/white (signal) - nothing happened. I tried the black (power +) and nothing happened. Obviously didn't try the black/white - there would have been a big spark. But as I stood there in the cold I connected the 12v wire from the battery across both red/white and black togther.

JACKPOT .... aerial goes up! A lot more smoothly too since I did that clean-down last week :lol:

The interesting bit is, when I take the 12v supply away from those two wires, it goes back down, so there must be power somewhere in that loom that plugs in.

My idea now is this: EITHER ...

Find out if the blue wire on the stereo "Power Aerial", when connected to those two wires, does the job.

or

If that doesn't work I'll have to run a power supply from the battery, into the cabin to a switch, run the power through the engine bay to the aerial, and control the aerial manually every time I want to use the radio.

I'll think about it tomorrow, cos its getting dark. Cheers! \:D/
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

Post by inky »

Well solution found but its not perfect.

As I said in last post, running 12v to the red/white and black at the same time makes the aerial go up, removing the power makes it go down.

So.

Join those two wires together and make it all nice and tidy.

In the cabin, take your power aerial output from your head unit and connect it to the PINK/BLUE wire that should be hanging out of the loom your previous car-owner has botched to bits.

You now have this situation:

Ignition off: Aerial down
Ignition on, STEREO off: Aerial down
Ignition on, stereo on: Aerial up.

This will always be the case now, as we have bypassed the signal wire that was supposed to control the difference between CD and Radio functions, and when your stereo is on the blue wire is permanently live, therefore your aerial will be up.

Originally, the electric aerial only went up when the radio was on, if you switched to CD player then the power signal went to 0v and the aerial came back down again.

If you can't live with this solution, get a soft push-make-push-break button and connect it up to the blue wire so you can control the aerial manually. You can locate this button either under the lighter socket, or on the gear-surround plastic.

Hope this is of help to someone \:D/
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Re: [Mk2] [Generic] Electric aerial wiring problems....

Post by SteveC1210 »

my aerial goes up and down just fine, but i dont like it when its up, can i change if for a window aerial or a small bee sting type or something?
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