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mk1a v b differences,thread locked and not correct

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sorry tony but after reading the thread theres quite a few innacuracies matey,i'll list what i know and maybe the locked sticky can be updated...

MK1 (A) TO MK1 (B) DIFFERENCES.

EXTERIOR

* Front bumper is 1” narrower on MK1a than MK1b
* The MK1a front bumper is flat at the front & normally painted matt black. Only the earliest of mk1a had matt bumpers
* Front bumper bar iron on mk1a is different than mk1b & not interchangeable. It is interchangeable if you fit the same bumper skin and foam insert* Mk1a does not have central locking from the door key, Mk1b does.
* MK1a has smooth wing mirror housings, Mk1b has textured effect.
* Mk1a had no side skirts from new, MK1b did. Only very early mk1a's had no skirts,most 85/86 models did have them* Mk1a had black moulded door & panel protector strips, Mk1b have colour
coded clear plastic strips.
* MK1a cars had front mud flaps as well as rear flaps, MK1b only had rear flaps
* MK1a had black unpainted plastic rear sill protectors.Very early cars only
* Mk1a bonnet different from mk1b & not interchangeable. Ive swapped them??? why different?
* Very early Mk1a had black caps on wheel nuts.
* MK1a has metal lower front spoiler, mk1b is plastic. Mk1a is plastic too just different shape,mk1a has different front panels* Mk1a had “triangle” alloys, Mk1b has “teardrop” alloys. MK1a 5.5J & MK1b 6J , so MK1b are slightly wider. ( cheers MartG)
* Mk1a engine cooling grille is metal & was split into two sections, MK1b was plastic & single entry type which protruded further outwards from the body.
* MK1a had roof mounted manual aerial, MK1b had electric aerial mounted on the rear o/s wing.
* MK1a only had sunroof & tintop options, Mk1b had T-bar, Sunroof & tintop options.
* Very early MK1a sunroofs have no dot pattern in the blackout paint. MK1b’s do.

INTERIOR

* MK1a had two tone seats, Mk1b are single coloured.
* Mk1a interiors ( excluding seats, headlinings & sunroof cover ) were all black.
* MK1a original radio very basic compared to MK1b.
* Inner door handle backing plates on MK1a different thickness to MK1b & not interchangable between the two.
* MK1a wiper / headlight switches are more squarer than the MK1b's rounded type.
* MK1a has no glove box key lock, Mk1b does.
* Mk1a headlights don’t rise on the first switch position, they don’t have dim/dip, so its side lights only. Mk1b lights do rise on the first position & operate in dim / dip mode with side lights.
* MK1a has sub woofer under driver’s seat, MK1b didn’t have this. some late spec JDM cars have the woofer
* Between seat cubby box has lid support on MK1b only, not on MK1a.
* MK1a had only one behind the seat coat hook, MK1b had two.
* MK1a inner door cards are different than on MK1b, switches sit in a semi-circular pod, although the switches are interchangeable.
* The air vents at either end of the dash on a MK1a have silver center knobs, MK1b had black only.
* Radio surround on MK1a is different to MK1b & incorporated a small light.
* Centre arm rest on a MK1a incorporates a padded arm rest, MK1b doesn’t.
* On a MK1a the ashtray is located forward of the gearstick, on a MK1b its to the side of the centre console.
* Heater controls on a MK1a are basic design with levers & knobs for air flow etc, on a MK1b they are push buttons with green L.E.D’s & motorised direction flaps.
* The Mk1a heater control panel incorporates the cigarette lighter, on a MK1b this is housed under the ashtray flap & the cigarette elements are not interchangeable.
* Lights up warning buzzer found on MK1b only & only on ‘F’ & ‘G’ reg’s .
* Dash speedo lights on MK1b 'F' & 'G' reg ONLY had dimmer switch fitted.
* MK1a boot trim is different shape to MK1b & not interchangeable.
* MK1a boot has fibre board covers over the inner wing area behind the o/s/ & n/s boot panels. ( cheers Kev )
* Mk1a has no radiator cover trim( rubber gasket stuck on underside of bonnet instead ), MK1b does. mk1a does have rad cover,its a different shape to allow for the different rad bracket shape though* MK1a coolant filling procedure warning sticker on the engine lid is yellow, on a MK1b its blue & white.
* Tyre pressure information sticker on the bottom of the drivers door on a MK1a is different to MK1b.
* MK1a dash gauges have larger increments than MK1b.
* MK1a had no rear speakers, MK1b did.
* MK1a steering wheels had exposed metal supports, MK1b’s were covered.
* MK1a steering wheel 2.5" larger than MK1b ( cheers MartG)
* MK1a had black front strut top caps, MK1b’s didn’t.
* MK1b T-tops ONLY had front strut brace fitted as standard.


MECHANICAL

* ECU is NOT interchangeable from MK1a to MK1b
* MK1a’s ECU is more aggressive for fueling than MK1b.
* MK1a weighs less than MK1b. ( cheers Kev )
* MK1a has different radiator brackets to MK1b. ( cheers Kev )
* Mk1a has two mounting bolts on the brake master cylinder, MK1b has three bolts. ( cheers Kev ) mk1a has two bolts ,mk1b has four,although 87 cars may have either
* Air filter on a MK1a is in the engine bay, on a MK1b its in the boot behind the n/s boot panel.
* MK1a drop links are different length to MK1b.
* Brake disc’s are smaller on a MK1a than MK1b, but calipers are same size & interchangeable. just the piston bit of the caliper,not its support bracket
* Cam covers have “16 VALVE” in blue on a MK1a, on a MK1b this is in red.
* MAP sensor on a MK1a is square, on a MK1b this is rectangular & NOT interchangeable between the two models.
* Rear suspension subframe is different between a MK1a & MK1b.
* MK1a have single jet injectors, MK1b have twin jet, higher flowing injectors & are interchanglable providing the engine bay loom is changed between the two models.
* MK1a TVIS comes in at a lower RPM than MK1b.
* The air intake temp sensor on a MK1a is on the TVIS manifold ( after throttle body ), on a MK1b its on the intake pipe ( before throttle body )
* Mk1a have a VTV dashpot under the throttle body acting on the throttle stop, MK1b’s don’t have this.
* MK1a has smaller clutch (200mm) MK1b has larger clutch (212mm)
* MK1a has smaller diameter rear anti roll bar than the MK1b.
* MK1a has C50 gearbox, MK1b has C52 gearbox.
* Rear track rod control joints are different on a MK1a than Mk1b
* Struts are different on MK1a than MK1b & are not interchangeable without cutting studs & drilling holes.

Also theres the 87 models that have a variation of all or none of the above,including engine fitments...oh and tool bag colours varied across revisions lol_________________
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I will add this to the list Paul
The list is there to be updated so it can be as informative as poss.

However, can someone confirm the slave cylinder bolts thing, as i don't know who's version is more 'right' than the other.... :-k

Also the rad cover for 1a - does this actually exist? :wink:

any more additions/changes peeps? -keep em comin :mrgreen:
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Cheers Paul, i fully support what you have edited, it was there to be updated & to be honest it took me days to compile & most of it was from memory as i didnt have an 'A' to compare it with, i must admit to never seeing a rad cover for the 'A' though hence the need for the rubber gasket on the underside of the bonnet ??, as for the variation on early & late MK1 A's i purposly didnt include these as i didnt know enough differences, just the ones between MK1a & b, just as i didnt include the ones between the early MK1b & later MK1b's & SC's. didnt think i'd done too bad though in the circumstances :mrgreen: , cheers, Jinxy
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Pretty sure a radiator cover was fitted to some non-Uk (stateside) mk1a's. HTH

Also the differences between a & b frunk's is that the 'a' has rubber seal trim - which won't fit on a 'b' due to not having the pre-drilled holes, because no trim was fitted to them as a radiator cover was fitted instead.
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HT wrote:Pretty sure a radiator cover was fitted to some non-Uk (stateside) mk1a's. HTH

Thats one of the reasons why i didnt mention U.S & JDM cars, as i would have had to include, Charcole canisters, emission sensors etc in the list, cheers, Jinxy
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Talking about imports, my hand-book for the UK MK1a says some models have air-conditioning, some have cruise control. I have neither :( I guess that's only on imports? Or was it a UK option? Would have loved cruise control, do you think it was a real cruise control or just a clamp on the throttle cable?

Anyway, radiator cover, don't think I have one:


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seems some mk1a's have them some dont....ive seen more without them but the odd one or two still crop up at the garage with rad covers.
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Tyre information has been added now, you've got questions marks against the Tyre Pressures, so I went and looked, MK1A says on the door sticker:

Cold Tyre Inflation Pressure
1.8 / 26 FRONT 2.0 / 28 REAR
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iansumuk wrote:Tyre information has been added now, you've got questions marks against the Tyre Pressures, so I went and looked, MK1A says on the door sticker:

Cold Tyre Inflation Pressure
1.8 / 26 FRONT 2.0 / 28 REAR


Same for the MK1b IIRC.
Though I don't run mine on standard tyre pressures.
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PW@Woodsport wrote:seems some mk1a's have them some dont....ive seen more without them but the odd one or two still crop up at the garage with rad covers.


do you think the mk1a rad cover was a non standard or non-toyota item perhaps?
or is there a part number floating around somewhere?
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i`d go 100% with paul on the brake master cylinder. cheers paul i really should have looked prior to posting.
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2.5" difference in steeringwheelsize? shouldn't that be 2.5cm or say 1" :wink:


Oh and about the subwoofer: it was STD on the mk1a and mk1b in the USA. on the mk1b the rearspeaker were optional in the USA and called "premium sound package" or something similar.

Probably the same in Japan, in europe the subwoofer was never offered. (well maybe in the UK?)
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Hebruins wrote:
Probably the same in Japan, in europe the subwoofer was never offered. (well maybe in the UK?)


I've got the subwoofer in my MK1a 1985. It was a standard fitting on UK REV A cars. It's fairly crappy anyway, I didn't even know it was there until I read about it on here - and I've driven a few hundred miles with it "booming" away underneath me - ok maybe "wobbling" is a better word for it! It certainly doesn't "woof"! You notice it more if you open the drivers door!
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