'05 wrx sti

[nightSpirit]

Yup escy cos is a car lovers car, like the F40, the Ultima, the LC etc etc etc...that's what we all are (or should be) car lovers.

Me personally, I'm not a scooby fan at all..and I don't care what anyone says lol, in a straight line my 2 against an equal power scoob is over before it begins...I've launched next to them and to say 4wd is the daddy of traction, never once has one even come close to keeping with me from a standing start....that goes for evo's aswell.

I'm not just making that up, that's my experience.

Cars are such a personal thing aswell, like football (which is gay imo) takes very little for people to get aggro about.

[Scotster]

The whole discussion is based on the fact that a scooby aint faster than a 2.

Its quite a bit faster to 60 but the quarter times for a standard scooby is 0.2 seconds faster than a standard 220bhp rev2 (depending who's driving of course) That makes them pretty slow once they are off the line considering.

Turn up the PSI on the 2, get a decen't launch and over the quarter the Scoob will be beat.

Personally i've never raced one off the line, its always been 50 plus which is probably where the 2 comes into its own, and i have never had one even close to giving me a race. My 2 is also way quicker than what my evo was although that thing was mental off the line, but after 50.. again.. its no contest.

Scott =op

Its a shame you feel the need to keep saying these things when they are obviously not true we have argued to death mr2 vs impreza and listend to someone who owned both jdm wrx and rev3 turbo say the impreza (standard was quicker in every way) in another thread.
To be Fair we must compare jdm to jdm and in doing this there is a very clear winner.

As soon as you add rain , ice or corners in to the equation the gap between these cars will become greater.

I also read a comment about imprezas being fragile on this thread. unfortunatly there are too many old ones about in the wrong hands being run on 95 ron suffering years of neglect that give them a bad name when in reality if looked after they are very reliable and take alot of abuse.
The rally winning design awd and boxer engine is legendary with outstading grip and power and looked after properly and run on proper fuel or mapped to uk fuel imo they are as strong as anything else.

They are in a different legue of performance to a mr2 but as i said earlier they are both good at what they do.

I keep saying the same thing because everyone else keeps saying the same thing including you. We just keep going round saying who beat what.

I don't know anything about JDM, don't even know what it is mate. I am simply quoting the FACTS for a standard WRX STi. I checked both the Subaru website and parkers guide. I don't know anything about japanese imports either as i believe they were meant to be more powerfull so can't argue against that. The figures i quoted were standard scooby with 280bhp and standard rev2 with 220 bhp. The times for the rev2 are from the rev2 faq and the times for the scooby are from above.

As i said for the 60 i can only go with the figures i have read as i haven't seen one go from 0-60 but i have owned an evo 5 which was damn fast although it doesn't feel faster than my 2 to 60 even though it probably is by a fraction of a second. Whats the next argument? A standard scooby wrx sti can been a standard evo V? Because i can assure you under no circumstances can it but no doubt someone will have owned one *cough* and they will also say that "one time in band camp i raced an evo and beat it"

Its the same old same old every time. 60 plus std vs std an mr2 is quicker. I don't care what anyone else says, physics deams it so.

Scott =op

[luthor1]

Rikki, that fuel pump requirement comment is just a complete and utter falsehood. Not that you are a "liar" just utterly, completely and totally mis-informed. That's the most ludicrous non-sense I have read so far!!

NightSpirit, If you are beating equal power, equally driven scoobies 0-60 then you are breaking the most fundamental laws of traction and physics. Nice work! =D>

[Scotster]

I also read a comment about imprezas being fragile on this thread. unfortunatly there are too many old ones about in the wrong hands being run on 95 ron suffering years of neglect that give them a bad name when in reality if looked after they are very reliable and take alot of abuse.
The rally winning design awd and boxer engine is legendary with outstading grip and power and looked after properly and run on proper fuel or mapped to uk fuel imo they are as strong as anything else.

Not according to people in the tuning industry. For instance adding a downpipe and decat to any Scoob (yup even an 06 plate) will add the need for an upgraded fuel pump to keep things in check right away. Bear in mind rally spec engines as blue printed, serve minimal hours in race condition and are stripped down on a near daily basis so cant be compared to an on the road version (even in 22B or P1 spec). I'd hazard a guess that even a stock 3SGTE pitted against an EJ20 would have the Scoob engine popping sharp bits out the block well before the Toyota.

This thread could go on for days LOL

R.

I'm pretty sure that i read somewhere that around the 60k mark the P1's engines go kapoot. Is that right?

Scott =op

[Rikki]

I'm pretty sure that i read somewhere that around the 60k mark the P1's engines go kapoot. Is that right?

Scott =op

Not entirely sure. I know two P1 owners but they have both extensivly modified their cars so it would be impossible to tell now. The faster of the two recently had its engine shipped back from Crawford Performance in the States with a lovely powder coated and chromed finish:




R.

[rev3gt]

I also read a comment about imprezas being fragile on this thread. unfortunatly there are too many old ones about in the wrong hands being run on 95 ron suffering years of neglect that give them a bad name when in reality if looked after they are very reliable and take alot of abuse.
The rally winning design awd and boxer engine is legendary with outstading grip and power and looked after properly and run on proper fuel or mapped to uk fuel imo they are as strong as anything else.

Not according to people in the tuning industry. For instance adding a downpipe and decat to any Scoob (yup even an 06 plate) will add the need for an upgraded fuel pump to keep things in check right away. Bear in mind rally spec engines as blue printed, serve minimal hours in race condition and are stripped down on a near daily basis so cant be compared to an on the road version (even in 22B or P1 spec). I'd hazard a guess that even a stock 3SGTE pitted against an EJ20 would have the Scoob engine popping sharp bits out the block well before the Toyota.

This thread could go on for days LOL

R.

I wasnt comparing the engines as the same just the layout and design.
We started arguing about performance and now we are on to reliability You talk about problems with impreza engines and toyota being superier you should take a look in the mechanicle section of this forum as all old turbocharged motors will have problems. I think my original point was you wouldnt need to mod a impreza to see of an mr2 but do understand that supporting mods are needed with most cars when upping the power. the 3sgte is better for tuning over 400 bhp but i wouldnt want to go that far. adding a downpipe and decat to a scoob will unleash some good power and uprating your fuel supply sounds sesable (although i have never heard of this requirement) not the mark of a bad car. Any problems with standard imprezas wer addressed with the sti for those who wanted to go further.

Imprezas are as strong as 2s just faster

[Rikki]

Rikki, that fuel pump requirement comment is just a complete and utter falsehood. Not that you are a "liar" just utterly, completely and totally mis-informed. That's the most ludicrous non-sense I have read so far!!

I must have been misinformed by a lot of missinformed people such as:

CRD
Torque Performance
Meercat Custom Stainless
GreerSport
Dastek UK
AWD Motorsport
KRTuning

How is it you know so differently? (A question, not a flamebait)

R.

*EDIT* Having just been on the blower to Dastek UK to get my car remapped with the new IC I asked Paul there "at what stage of owning and tuning a Scooby would an owner upgrade the fuel pump?" to be told in no uncertain terms "straight away!". Thats from an 05 plate Scoob owner himself.

[rev3gt]

JDM means Japaneese Domestic Market an import in other words i dont dissagree with you review of the uk version but in order to be fair we must compare import with import as jap versions are usualy higher spec and in this case a much more focused car.

P1 rebuild at 60k never heard that before rx7 maybee.
Check the autotrader for high milage scoobs without rebuilds. not a temprimental fragile car they are very well made and reliable if serviced just like a 2.

[revturbo]

i thought this thread had finished????????????

if, that really is IF i had kids i would probably buy an impreza.

you cannot knock these cars, it was hard to catch!

[nightSpirit]

Luthor mate, it's not physics..it's driving skillz *cough*

That'st the way it's always gone down sorry but that's the way it is.

And redone...come on...if you had kids you'd buy a lotus carlton or a million other cars first? I'd take an evo over a sccob any day, and only then if it was a 5.

One last point by me...they are both very different cars, one to me is more set for rallying (wonder which) and one is more of a gt car...so from the lights etc there will always be strengths and weaknesses to both.

[revturbo]

evo maybe if they weren't so expensive even 2nd hand

[nightSpirit]

That's true...the scoob has become the modern day rsturbo style car...10 a penny, bit like the 2

[revturbo]

anyway i aint planning on having kids, so i can keep spending my money on fun m/r and f/r cars

forever sideways!

[luthor1]

I speak to Clark Motorsport, owners of one of the fastest Scooby there is.

They fitted a full exhaust with no cats including the twin-dump downpipes making 285bhp and including lightweight flywheel/pulleys. Car has the PPP Prodrive ECU and at no stage did they have a problem with the fuel pump.

Your information is massively flawed. Are you trying to tell me that the standard pump cannot maintain it's required pressure to deliver around 30bhp increase given by a cat removal and downpipe change? Come on you techies, can someone else question this??

Nightspirit: oh yeah, driver ability is everything, I couldn't agree more!!! With 380bhp you have a fair chance of getting the start "average" and still not losing too much!!

[luthor1]

A quick search of scoobynet reveals that people have often been ill-advised to change their fuel pumps without needing to. Granted, if it isn't offering good STANDARD pressure, ie it's malfunctioning, then change it. But for standard, it is good for over 370bhp when working properly.

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.p ... mp+upgrade

[rev3gt]

luthor1 is correct a 30bhp increase would not require pump no fast car is that close to full fuelling capacity standard.

is clark motorspots car faster than andy forrests? if so that is very impressive coz his one is a monster i saw it run sub 10s at the pod the other week check out www.andyforrestperformance.co.uk he also did very well at 10 of the best 2003 with his white one i didnt see any mr2s getting anywhere near either

[paulmann]

where's the stig when you need him eh!?

[Rikki]

A quick search of scoobynet reveals that people have often been ill-advised to change their fuel pumps without needing to. Granted, if it isn't offering good STANDARD pressure, ie it's malfunctioning, then change it. But for standard, it is good for over 370bhp when working properly.

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.p ... mp+upgrade

Its one of those safety aspects that proper tuning companies do, sure it could run fine but with the companies I listed having seen first hand what happens when such a small job (and priced job) isnt carried out it is one of the first things due for upgrade to keep things in check.

Reasons I know about this first hand is because I'm working on a 1997 Type-RA at the moment which has been upgraded.

R.

[luthor1]

I know the clark one ran 9.84 at an official timing event here http://www.ctgltd.co.uk/news.php?id=70& ... +the+world! but I am confused as to the dates. It seems the AndyForrest one ran 9.81 on August 17th 2005, where the Clark one ran 9.84 on the 7th August 2005.

Aaaaanyway, 9.8x OMFG how fast is that. Basically 0-148mph in 10 seconds. That's Carrera GT territory isn't it?

Rikki, on the fuel pump side, it is perfectly possible that imports run different components and are running closer to their limits out the box. When you tune an import, they are already around 270-odd bhp, so tuning to like 330 is taking them close, but the experience I had was going from 212bhp to 285 so still WELL within stock.

[[SiG]]

Aaaaanyway, 9.8x OMFG how fast is that. Basically 0-148mph in 10 seconds. That's Carrera GT territory isn't it?

Difference being the Carrera GT is actually drivable in town/general!? Well I'm presuming of course as I've never actually driven either