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Re: Rev3 Tubby Vs Impreza

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rev3gt wrote: #-o Im sorry you dont agree with the figures printed in japaneese performance magazines impreza supliment maybee they should contact you when next printing any figures about 0/60 times as you seem to know more than they do.
You reeling a list of special edition imprezas you have heard of as the only ones capable of these times also has no basis in fact and shows you havnt done any research please check your facts before arguing the toss.


GLOL.... don't believe everything you read. 0-60times are meaningless drivel and i can't believe people still place so much importance on them. There are so many extraneous variables when it comes to testing 0-60times. Example, were they using the clutch or not? Did they use road tyres? etc, etc. Also gear ratios have an impact, a car that can hit 60 in second will be around a second quicker than a car that has to shift to third.
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When i was at crail a few months back,

I beat almost every imprezza up there, and this was in the wet!

I managed a 14.2 spinning through 1st, traction in 2nd etc. I am running 272bhp.

So, im pretty confident that an Mr2 turbo, with the same power as an Imprezza would win.

Dont forget the mr2 can really get off the line also!

0-60 times are generally the best time a racing driver can make it on a test track. So in actuality the times can vary considerable due to many variables like Lauren said.

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I understand about how 0/60 times are made but still maintain imprezas are very capable but probably in the wrong place to discuss this as we all have mr2s and will be bias tawords them i even read someone claiming to match a noble m12 on here. we can talk it to death with stories of beating imprezas and so on. and on scoobynet you will find stories of imprezas beating mr2s. i dont think you would easaly see of a 272 bhp impreza (import) with your mr2.
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i feel as though i can give a fairly unbiased opinion as at the moment i own both an imported impreza WRX (1995 Mreg) and a rev3 MR2 turbo (1995 Nreg), im my case the impreza feels faster in every sense, straight line acceleration and corners etc. my impreza is bog standard except for a decat and backbox, where as the MR2 is mildy modded (raised boost, coilover suspension etc).

Not that this proves anything as it's only my opinion.
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DannyW wrote:i feel as though i can give a fairly unbiased opinion as at the moment i own both an imported impreza WRX (1995 Mreg) and a rev3 MR2 turbo (1995 Nreg), im my case the impreza feels faster in every sense, straight line acceleration and corners etc. my impreza is bog standard except for a decat and backbox, where as the MR2 is mildy modded (raised boost, coilover suspension etc).

Not that this proves anything as it's only my opinion.


=D> I have been in both and agree with dannyw
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Check this video out. Its the same driver (our instructor for the day) driving my 312bhp Rev2 then driving my mates Impreza STI Type R (3 door import) around the same circuit. As you can see the cars are equal. My car is faster than his in straight lines but boy can his Impreza hold the road!

http://www.eddsmith.co.uk/movies/RossVsRory.wmv

PS - I dont agree with any racing on the roads and wouldnt dream of driving my tubby fast in the wet :D

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rev3gt wrote:
Scotster wrote:
rev3gt wrote:Weigh about same as a mr2 but have 4wd and loads of grip a car not to be underestimated. that said not as tunable as a 2 high up. a standard sti wil pul a sub 5 0/60 and grip like a rally car racing a uk is not a fair test as they are i highly diluted version of the jap versions.

Unfortunatly a lot of old ones are around badley maintaned and run on cheap fuel by there young tracksuit wearing owners its a shame such a good car has fallen in with the wrong croud and is being humiliated by people who dont maintain or drive them properly.


Not quite, they are just over 5 sec for 60 (perfect conditons etc same with any other car). The only 2 that can manage a sub 5 is the WR1 and the WRX 300.


Edit, of course thats only if your counting UK cars as the Type r can manage it too.

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I am talking classic and import :roll: as i said obove the uk versions wer very a diluted version of the jap models (bit like mr2) also there was no uk classic sti
acording to japanese performance magazine the 0/60 times are

All standard

wrx 4.9
wrx facelift 96/00 4.8
sti 94/96 4.7
sti 96/00 4.6
sti type r 4.3
sti 22b 4.6

The whole range is sub 5 add 4wd and a rally bred chassis they are serious cars.


Don't know where Jap performance plucked those figures from!
P1 and 22B are both 280bhp.
Only UK scooby AFAIK that does a sub 5 is the 326bhp WR1, does it in 4.4 secs. =D>
I was in a Subaru showroom just a few months ago, and the WRX is 5.9 secs, STi 5.5, prodriving the thing to 305bhp gets you 4.9 secs apparently.
The classic shape do seem a bit quicker, but they are about 100kg lighter than the bugeye/new style. Classic shape 2000cc turbo were 0-60 in around 5.5 secs.
Of course 0-60 isn't the best judge of how 'fast' a car is as you all know.
I've 'had' a few on private runways (WRX, STi, turbo 2000-uk) at anything between std (242bhp) and 280bhp, and always get past them....just
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I have said twice i am talking classic and import and the uk cars are completely different much like mr2s.
I think we will have to agree to differ as i dont beleive a mild mr2 will keep up with a scoob sti.
Jap performance plucked those figures from reality but as lauren said 0/60 doesnt mean to much as methods vary and i base my opinions on my expereance of both cars.

Also the quoted 280ps sti was actualy closer to 300 but a gentlemens agreement in japan prevents such power quoted as standard.

Rory your mr2 pacing a type r is very impressive :D
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rev3gt wrote:
Rory your mr2 pacing a type r is very impressive :D


Thankyou 8)

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Rory wrote:Check this video out. Its the same driver (our instructor for the day) driving my 312bhp Rev2 then driving my mates Impreza STI Type R (3 door import) around the same circuit. As you can see the cars are equal. My car is faster than his in straight lines but boy can his Impreza hold the road!

http://www.eddsmith.co.uk/movies/RossVsRory.wmv

PS - I dont agree with any racing on the roads and wouldnt dream of driving my tubby fast in the wet :D

Rory


Who was the doofuss in the passenger seat in your MR2? Holding onto the roof is a big no, no... they should have pulled you in for that. We had an instructor lose 3 fingers due to a similar incident.
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Lauren wrote:Who was the doofuss in the passenger seat in your MR2? Holding onto the roof is a big no, no... they should have pulled you in for that. We had an instructor lose 3 fingers due to a similar incident.


:roll: Thats me! The instructor was driving in that video.

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good video that, the mr2 is more graceful, and the scooby more angry !

don't think you can be too hard on rory for holding the roof, as you said yourself, an INSTRUCTOR (ie. expert and knowledgable) person did the same thing.

Lauren, just a thought, but maybe you could make a sticky of info on things to NOT DO on a trackday in the motorsport forum ? Could be a chance for IMOC to really make a difference to a member.
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rev3gt wrote:I have said twice i am talking classic and import and the uk cars are completely different much like mr2s.
I think we will have to agree to differ as i dont beleive a mild mr2 will keep up with a scoob sti.
Jap performance plucked those figures from reality but as lauren said 0/60 doesnt mean to much as methods vary and i base my opinions on my expereance of both cars.

Also the quoted 280ps sti was actualy closer to 300 but a gentlemens agreement in japan prevents such power quoted as standard.

Rory your mr2 pacing a type r is very impressive :D


Well there is a video around on the net where a jap WRX (275ishbhp) is paced against a rev 3 (242bhp) turbo, and the STi pulls out a car and a half length on the white Mr2. So yes a jap WRX is quicker in a straight line, std vs std. However my 'mild' (280ish) MR2 has no trouble with a 305bhp Sti Scooby, and actually pulls away slightly at higher speeds. I KNOW about the variables, bhp per ton, 4wd tranny losses, aerodynamics, drag style launch etc etc.
I respect the scoobys ability, but they just don't do it for me =;
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Fair enough there not everyones cup of tea and at high speeds the mr2 is the better car due to design. but that said i think imprezas are much more fun until you reach those high speeds :D
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rev3gt wrote:Fair enough there not everyones cup of tea and at high speeds the mr2 is the better car due to design. but that said i think imprezas are much more fun until you reach those high speeds :D


I think the opposite regarding those cars. They are absolutely NO fun. You can just about fall asleep at 100mph on just about any road and still get home without even as much as a slide. When i first got my evo i took it out on the roads and was VERY impressed at its road holding. I kept pushing and pushing the longer i had it but it never lost grip once. THe cars are monsters on the corners. However i don't see driving stupidly fast round stupid corners as fun i see driving slowly and safely coming up to a roundabout and being able to put the foot down a little harder to get the back end to flick out much more fun and rewarding if you hold it. Of course i only ever do this when the roundabouts are empty (in fact there are 2 in an industrial estate where i stay that are great fun) but i could never do this in the evo without traveling seriously fast to lose the grip and that would be far to dangerous as the cars dont have enough power to lose grip just by sinking the right foot.

I found the car great for around 3 or 4 months but after that there was just nothing left to learn about the car without taking it onto a track. I have much more fun in a RWD sports car with the roof off than i ever will in a 4wd rally car. Take both cars onto the track and my opinion would still stand coz you could have more fun in the evo than normal but you can have even more fun in the 2.

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i think they are both top cars. I really dont belive that there is one car that better than another, they are all good in their own field and all have positives and minuses. We cold argue all day which is best, but as its opinion based then we would get nowhere
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I can slide my impreza all over the place and it's really predictable and feels dead safe (unlike the MR2). But it's currently running Bridgestone 'Blizzac' rubber on the rims (i believe these are designed as snow tyres which could account for the driftablilty!)

New 17" alloys and toyo tyres should be on in about a month, i'll report back on whether or not the car becomes any more boring after that.
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Yeah, drifting isn't a problem but... What speed are you doing to get it to drift controllably?

I agree the MR2 isn't as easy to control at those types of speeds but it is very easy to have safe fun at lower speeds which isn't possible with the 4wd cars.

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At the minute it'll drift at any speed :lol: but as i said the tyres are rubbish.

I'll report back when i change the wheels.
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after only owning my standard rev3 tubby i had a scooby try to race me,upto about 60 i had about a cars length on him.next set of lights he tried it again and i did the same.made me smile as i did not think my car was the quick.it did feel slow compared to my 242bhp n/a gte 16v astra.it still does even a 1.05 bar whatever that is,but at least 1,2 gears have got some pull now
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