Intercooler or Chargecooler?

[jimGTS]

you only need to look at the US dyno registory to see peeps running 500-600bhp fly with greddy ic's.......

95% of the US folk run sidemount ic's, and they have darn better weather than us.....

these are ATW btw
http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records/dyno/rlaw.jpg
http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records ... tesson.jpg
http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records ... an_433.jpg
http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/mr2records ... nez432.jpg

above these figs and peeps are using boot mounts.......some using water to air.

to say sidemounts are crap above 350fly is a bit of a joke id say.....
proof is there.

[jimGTS]

All you need to consider is how much you wanna spend and how much you wanna put into it. Intercooler = cheaper and easier.
CC = more expensive and more complicated but probably better.

exactly.......im really not sure why peeps in the US dont go the CC route early on......they are excellent, just more to go wrong and more expense.
an ic is a metal box at the end of the day, will never let you down (altho im bias)

[matt_mr2t]

When I say more complicated I mean to fit than anything.
Also they weigh more what with all the water, the water pump, the additional plumbing etc.

[jonb-]

Approx ST205 costs are...

Core: £230 ebay
Pump: £90 Davis Craig
Piping: £30
Rad: £120
Fitting: Free if you've a long weekend and lots of axel stands or around a days work (£300ish) from 3s/rogue etc.

I'm heading down this route at the moment.

[matt_mr2t]

Even without fitting that works out more than a brand new Berk Intercooler which can be fitted far easier than a CC.

I dont think a CC conversion is doable for a novice. I certainly wouldnt attempt it and I dont mind getting my hands dirty.

[GIFF]

Thanks for the replies guys. Looks like im gonna go for the safe than sorry approach. Chargecooler it is. Ive pretty much made my mind up that ill go for the Rouge systems one and get some spal fans to compliment it.

cheers

Giff

[Nick Bryant]

im not no expert on working with mr2's but i fit my st205 chargecooler with Skywalker and couldnt beleive how easy it was the hardest part of it was probably bleeding it ,granted Skywalker had done a few before but even then its still pretty straight forward.

[KrisB]

I like the pwr chargecooler Thor do thats what im going for next

[TheRoadWarrior]

The rotary guys seem to like the PWR cooler;

http://static.flickr.com/52/130333556_b ... 18.jpg?v=0

Shame it doesnt really fit in the mr2 engine bay, someone i've seen has fitted it in the boot- which is ok i guess, but not so neat.

I think at the end of the day i'd prefer an intercooler in the stock location, but just from what i've heard the cc is the more efficient cooler. Water-air is always gonna work better than air-air.[/img]

[Quigonjay]

I have the Rogue / Radtec chargecooler, and it is the mutts nuts. When Thor tuned my car the maximum intake temp they saw was 25 degrees and that was at 25psi of boost!

any idea how much power this radtec unit is supposed to be good for?

just got an email back from rogue abut this radtec unit -

We're confident that the Radtec unit will flow in excess of 600bhp, but until we actually prove this we're not making any claims! We have a Radtec equipped car that we're installing a GT35/40 ball bearing turbocharger on and we'll push this to the limit of it's fuelling - walbro fuel pump and 800cc injectors. We reckon that should be around the 500bhp mark. The turbo should be capable of around 650bhp, which is the ultimate goal for this vehicle, but that will require further fuelling mods (lifter pump and swirl pot, bigger or secondary injectors etc) and will be carried out at a later date.

Should have some definitive feedback for you within the next three weeks or so!

nutter - is that your car they are reffering to?

[Driftlimits Performance]

yeah, I'm pretty much with Jonno on this one. If you're going for real power a sidemount wouldn't even cross your mind. Unless your on a budget. In which case you're not getting big power

[nutter]

I have the Rogue / Radtec chargecooler, and it is the mutts nuts. When Thor tuned my car the maximum intake temp they saw was 25 degrees and that was at 25psi of boost!

any idea how much power this radtec unit is supposed to be good for?

just got an email back from rogue abut this radtec unit -

We're confident that the Radtec unit will flow in excess of 600bhp, but until we actually prove this we're not making any claims! We have a Radtec equipped car that we're installing a GT35/40 ball bearing turbocharger on and we'll push this to the limit of it's fuelling - walbro fuel pump and 800cc injectors. We reckon that should be around the 500bhp mark. The turbo should be capable of around 650bhp, which is the ultimate goal for this vehicle, but that will require further fuelling mods (lifter pump and swirl pot, bigger or secondary injectors etc) and will be carried out at a later date.

Should have some definitive feedback for you within the next three weeks or so!

nutter - is that your car they are reffering to?

I wish mate . no i'm staying with my lowly 344bhp @ the hubs thankyou! I like my pants white not brown

[Dangerous]

The rotary guys seem to like the PWR cooler;

http://static.flickr.com/52/130333556_b ... 18.jpg?v=0

Shame it doesnt really fit in the mr2 engine bay, someone i've seen has fitted it in the boot- which is ok i guess, but not so neat.

I think at the end of the day i'd prefer an intercooler in the stock location, but just from what i've heard the cc is the more efficient cooler. Water-air is always gonna work better than air-air.[/img]

That would be me ....... why does'nt it look neat ??...have you seen the install in the flesh..? Thor have done a top job and it certainly looks alot neater than the boot mount intercooler setups ive seen !!!

[Harry]

they have indeed and the work is really neat spot on and custom
2.

not seen another like it=exclusive and built to preform.

[Dangerous]

they have indeed and the work is really neat spot on and custom
2.

not seen another like it=exclusive and built to preform.

Cheers mate...

[Andy F]

Just my 2ps worth....
I did make 408 @ hubs with a side mount, but i mounted it on the other side, it made sence, as the pipe from turbo to IC runs above the exhaust manifold in stock location!.
The IC is the best when its fitted to a front engined car, but we have to be different, and theres no way of having the big area needed to keep things consistant i found the IC was good when moving at quite high speeds but if i was driving in every day traffic the heat soak was terrible and this made the car feel very slugish on pick up.When i fitted the CC the difference was instant you get the strong power every time what ever the driving conditions.
Oh and dont forget the US guys use different dyno's to us! now wheres that Micky mouse smiley

[Harry]

great set up there like it a lot.
we are going to run about 300 bhp,apexi fc.

chargecooler gt4 is run off side mount intercooler instead of front mount
radiator,being upgraded to spl phoenix power unit.

so suits me sir..lol
chargecooler and intercooler combo...unique

[jonb-]

great set up there like it a lot.
we are going to run about 300 bhp,apexi fc.

chargecooler gt4 is run off side mount intercooler instead of front mount
radiator,being upgraded to spl phoenix power unit.

so suits me sir..lol
chargecooler and intercooler combo...unique

Unique but ultimately rubbish. Sorry.

If the water never leaves the engine bay you'll suffer from serious heat soak.

[Harry]

good point what about an extension tank in the boot?

[jonb-]

I doubt you'll be able to get enough flow over anything in the engine bay to cool water (which of course needs much more energy to cool than air). Even the rogue boot mount CC still needs a front mounted prerad.

http://www.roguemotorsport.com/forms/Pr ... spx?ID=345
http://www.roguemotorsport.com/forms/Pr ... spx?ID=398