[Mk2 Turbo] Now that i'm hitting engine cut....

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neilg1977
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[Mk2 Turbo] Now that i'm hitting engine cut....

Post by neilg1977 »

Hi all,

Since i've had my mongoose fitted, when I push the car hard, the engine cuts at about 5500rpm and the yellow engine light bottom left of the instrument binnacle flashes on and then goes out again quickly.

It did this twice so i have stopped driving the car for the time being.

What would have caused this? Millway believe it is boost cut (is this the same as fuel cut?)

Rev3 tubby
Extremeboost downpipe
Mongoose
HKS Racing suction kit
GReddy R-SPL i/c

They have recommended the Dastek @ £650 fitted.

Am I better to:

- Get the dastek

- Get a FCD, elec boost controller and have this fitted (will I need anything else)?

Thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Neil
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Re: [Mk2 Turbo] Now that i'm hitting engine cut....

Post by screech205 »

Depends on your finances mate, TBh i've had no bother with my MBC and FCD and it cost me about £50 to set up!

It sounds like you're hitting fuel cut so a FCD would solve this problem but if you're getting an electronic boost controller i think they get rid of fuel cut anyway, i may be wrong.

Dastek Unichip would allow you to remap your car with future mods and tune it better with what you've got but it comes at a price.

Like i said it all depends on your budget but a £20 FCD would solve the problem for now
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Re: [Mk2 Turbo] Now that i'm hitting engine cut....

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Yep, it's fuel cut. FCD is what you need.

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Re: [Mk2 Turbo] Now that i'm hitting engine cut....

Post by Quigonjay »

just to add mate, the amount of revs you are doing has nothing to do with fuel cut, its due to too much boost
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Re: [Mk2 Turbo] Now that i'm hitting engine cut....

Post by Andy K »

Hi Neil.

My setup is similar to you, mongoose, intake etc.

Are you not using any sort of boost control at the moment? Grainger/MBC?

As everyone say's you're just taking the boost over the fuel cut level, perhaps with a little spike.

Some good boost control would stop this, I use a ebc (blitz sbc-id) and with this I can raise the max boost bit by bit until it's just below my cut point which is about 18.6psi on my car. Now I never trip it. I reckon thats enough boost anyway, and If I want more power now I need to go bigger turbo.

My engine had a fcd on it when I bought it, but I removed it as I prefer to have the protection of the cut. Remeber that Rev 3's determine fuelling of this line, Not a problem on Rev 2's with their AFM's.

As I think I think I see it (somebody please correct me) the boost line (PIM) is simply a proportional fuelling line where (say) 0V=0% fuel and 4V=100% fuel, 4.1V= fuel cut. Now if you clamp it to 4V, you're removed the cut, and can run boost above the point where the MAP sensor produces >4.1V.

I belive there is enough fuel at fuel cut point for a little more boost, but how far you take it past that point if you do use a fcd is better found out by a tuner who's watching the EGT etc

I've also got a Unichip for ignition and fuelling only (not boost control) but the changes this makes were more in midrange, not really higher up, fuel higher up was left relativly unmodified.

Go for some good boost control, dosent have to be a ebc, and if fitting a fcd, have the max boost level set up by a tuner who looking for underfuelling.

Andy
neilg1977
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Re: [Mk2 Turbo] Now that i'm hitting engine cut....

Post by neilg1977 »

Hi all,

Thanks all for some great info. I'll give Millway a call and ask how much for the Unichip without Boost controller and then I think i'm gonna buy an EBC.

Does the Unichip have an inbuilt FCD? Also, does an EBC?

I'm not using any sort of boost control at the moment - I wanted the breathing and cooling 100% sorted before I touched the boost settings. Now that I think about it, that was prob the wrong way round.

On a rev3, what's the standard boost and what is the max (just so that I understand the figures below - I have no intention of running max boost...)

Just another thing - the turbo sounds literally, awesome, whining away now. Much higher pitched. I never realised how much money buying this car was gonna cost me in the pursuit of more thrills.

'I'm happy with the speed, I don't think i'll change anything' - quote, October 2004

The car is booked in with Millway for Unichip on Monday 30th. I like the idea of having the fuelling, etc mapped properly but will await advice re: the boost module or a standalone EBC.

Cheers all,

Neil
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Re: [Mk2 Turbo] Now that i'm hitting engine cut....

Post by Andy K »

Unichips can act as a fcd if required, but I wouldn't worry about that at the moment.Do the cheapest things first

Firstly get a accurate boost gauge fitted so you can see whats going on, this is the first essential step.

You need to see if you are actually hitting fuel cut, this normally occurs around 18-19psi in Rev 3's. As your're still using ECU/VSV boost control this might not be the case it maybe something else, I dont get the engine light coming on when I've hit fuel cut.

Then if you want, try a MBC/grainger valve and take boost control away from the ecu, for £25ish they work very well.

Stock boost is about 14psi and you can set it around 17 with no real problems, forget about a fcd you dont really want to be running over 18-19 psi esp without any inter/chargecooler mods. leave the fuel cut protection IN.

A lot of people leave it like this.

But then if you want finer in car boost control go for a EBC, then lastly a unchip or something else when you have finished the engine modding. The ebc offers better boost control than the unchip with boost module so don't worry about needing a unichip to control boost.

Cheers
Andy
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Re: [Mk2 Turbo] Now that i'm hitting engine cut....

Post by neilg1977 »

Thanks Andy.
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