All the way on stock internals....

[Mark Edwards]

And if thats not inuf then Xxxx run his car with stock internals producing 11.26 1/4 @1.893 60ft, to get that kind of 1/4 time u have to be producing around 500-600 flywheel horse power.

Yeah, but how many issues did you have throughout doing that?

[CosmosblueMR2]

Yeah, but how many issues did you have throughout doing that?

PMSL - was wondering when someone would mention that.
very diplomatically put

[light]

And if thats not inuf then Xxxx run his car with stock internals producing 11.26 1/4 @1.893 60ft, to get that kind of 1/4 time u have to be producing around 500-600 flywheel horse power.

Yeah, but how many issues did you have throughout doing that?

Hello Mark, To be honest, Xxxx had two issues;

Head gaskit went and he had a ignition problem which he solved, it was a very embarasing simple ignition problem, something he over looked, he had the wrong spark plugs in for higher boost and the spark was blowing out.This was resolved and the car had no other issues apart from him trying other bits to the engine to see results eg, Carbon dioxide spray, racing fuel and using other types of fuel addatives and mapping issues were the only ones he strugled with.
But his conclusion is that the only real hard work to acheave high horse power reliably with stock internals is the right bolt on parts and most of all very carefull and safe mapping keeping dett at bay.
The Toyota rev3 onward internals are remarkably strong and the reliability of these engines is second to none.
End of the day people make there own decisions as far as tuning there car is concerned, taking in consideration the fact that risks are there and they should make the decision based on there budget also.

[MR2Mania]

Hello Mark, To be honest, Xxxx had two issues;

Xxxx, go see a shrink, mate, because you've developed a split personality. Either that, or you like talking about yourself in the 3rd party!!

This thread is a crock of xxxx, and has been the trigger that made me decide NOT to renew my affiliate status on this forum. Too many know-it-alls!!!

You can't even compare apples with apples. Jeff's car has been running race fuel. How can you compare that to running normal road fuel?

Don't bother replying, because I'm no longer interested.

[MR2Mania]

If someone is interested in how long an engine will last at a given power or boost level, then do it scientifically. In other words, do it in a controlled environment so that you can see how long it could actually run that power or boost. Probably best to do on an engine dyno. No point trying to say "my engine lasted 50k miles at that power level" if you were driving 49.5k of those miles at idle or cruising on the motorway!!

[Mikejc]

........and there goes the cat out of it's little bag! =D>

But wait just a minute, perhaps Xxxx has now seen (The Light) hence the new user name!?

Joking aside. I think that we have learned that what ever Xxxx and his magic mystery tour of a car managed to pull off in terms of times over the 1/4 is very much clouded in terms of the spec of the car internally. All this due in part to some of the worst attemps of lying I think I had ever seen.

The infamous Mr Xxxx (aka Light) for all that don't know was banned from iMOC for doctering time slips from York dragway in an attempt to make us all believe he had managed to pull a 10 second 1/4.

So I heed a big warning to all those that would follow the advice of the en-Light-ened Mr Xxxx.....anyone see what I did there . Trust me when I tell you that the advice offered is bad to core!

Mikejc

[Andy Conroy]

Come on guys!!! Lets not throw our Toys out of the pram

[The Morris]

oh dear more hassle.

I think next to your name you should have a tech rating, from 1 star to 5 stars. with my experience i would give myself 1 star. That way people could choose who they think knows what they are talking about. i.e dont listen to me caues i dont know much.

Its a shame if people like Dino stop posting because no one listens and offers contradicting advise.

[ENSMR2]

Lets stay on topic please guys.

Andy,

I think you should keep detailed note on every you do once it's built. But like Dino says. Any engine will last long if you pootle around at low revs.

What you starting with? Rev 1, 2 or 3?

[^Trickster^]

Sorry but too much dry land swimming on this board for my liking.

Graeme

[The Morris]

Sorry but too much dry land swimming on this board for my liking.

Graeme

Is that a northern term, dont understand

[^Trickster^]

It means theres too many people who just say things they have heard, or just guess at. And really have no idea whats right or wrong as they have never done it themselves or experienced it first hand.

You cant learn to swim on the sand, you have to get in the water and actually swim.

Im not being condesending, but I think some people should not post if the information is just guessed at or what was talked about at the pub etc, this can mislead people trying to learn, cause confusion and even damage to peoples engines/cars when they try to do things recommended by "dry land swimmers"

No offense intended and I hope people realise that, and I am by no means an expert, if I think my infromation may be limited, I will say so and you can check my posts.

Graeme

[MR2Mania]

It means theres too many people who just say things they have heard, or just guess at. And really have no idea whats right or wrong as they have never done it themselves or experienced it first hand.

I'm assuming that you're having a go at YOURSELF then, my friend, because it was one of your comments on page 2 that got my goat up:

On combustion the cylinder pressures can sore 1000psi, so why would a measly 25psi intake charge have any noticable effect over 15psi?

In that statement, you showed you know very little about engines!

Sure, 25psi at the manifold is 25psi, but once it's in the cylinders, is that ALL you think it is? Before I get into explaining why it's not, let's not forget that 25psi is NOT an insignificant amount of pressure - 25psi in your tyres is enough to keep a 1500kg car sitting on its tyres!

Right, now to the point of the pressures in the cylinder... What do you think happens on the compression stroke? After a 550cc odd chamber is filled at 25psi, and then is compressed down to something like 50cc, does the pressure stay the same? Why do you hear people talking of compression ratios?

Enough said I think!

[MR2Mania]

Incidentally, Graeme, I'm gonna list a few companies and individuals below that ALL say any more than 1.5bar is too much for the stock 3SGTE pistons. Then you can tell us where these guys learnt to swim in sand:

1) Fraser MacKellar: Ex TTE testing engineer, and founder of MoTeC Europe
2) Adrian Smith of Fensport
3) Mark Harrison at Owens

Between them, they've built and tuned more 3SGTEs than you've had conquests!

[^Trickster^]

Well lets be honest here, your no genius are you. Ive seen more crap come out of you than alot of people, unfortunantly, theres alot of people too far up your ar$e.

My point was that.... the head gasket sees massive cylinder pressures in the compression/combustion stroke, if it can handle 1000psi on these stroke, then the actual boost level makes little effect on the head gasket with correct tuning, I was making a statement that it wasnt boost level that makes a difference, it was the product of it.

Considering I dont actually do this for a living and you do... apparently, you dont know "that" much do you.

Im quite happy not posting on here, ill leave it all to you, after all, im too busy trying to build 3sgte engines.....oh I already have.

Like ive said before, if your not an affiliate or a moderator you dont know anything. Whats ammusing, is that your one of these people that will sit and actually get annoyed on here, so ill leave you all to it.

Im sure people will jump on the band wagon with you tho

[MR2Mania]

Well lets be honest here, your no genius are you. Ive seen more crap come out of you than alot of people, unfortunantly, theres alot of people too far up your ar$e.

LOL! I don't need to justify my knowledge my friend. All the people that have copied my specs (or aspects of) or done as I've said can set you straight. And I don't need to get into a debate with you on this because I used to work in the industry, unlike yourself that's a keyboard jockey!

My point was that.... the head gasket sees massive cylinder pressures in the compression/combustion stroke, if it can handle 1000psi on these stroke, then the actual boost level makes little effect on the head gasket with correct tuning, I was making a statement that it wasnt boost level that makes a difference, it was the product of it.

Well, you're talking sh1te as usual, because what kinda pressures do you see when doing a compression test, whether an NA engine or turbo? And the engine is only being pressurised at ambient pressure at this stage. As you add boost, the pressures inside the cylinder increase A LOT MORE than that, ie it's down to the compression ratio. So 2psi extra at the manifold is much more once it's in the engine and been compressed on the compression stroke.

Considering I dont actually do this for a living and you do... apparently, you dont know "that" much do you.

Actually, you're wrong again (no surprise there!). I have a good career in IT, as tuning doesn't pay anywhere near as much. I merely spent my time on here to help my fellow IMOCers since I've got a lot more relevant experience and knowledge than most. It just goes wasted on you because you think you already know things!

Im quite happy not posting on here, ill leave it all to you, after all, im too busy trying to build 3sgte engines.....oh I already have.

Don't worry, mate, I'm already history here! I can't be *rsed to spend time helping people out if I have to deal with kn*bs like you in the process. As an affiliate I've sold one product in a year - does that sound like I was in it for the money? But tw*ts like you have finally p1ssed me off enough to say "feck it! I've got more important things to spend my time on!".

Like ive said before, if your not an affiliate or a moderator you dont know anything.

In *your* case, that's VERY true. But I try not to generalise. For example, JJ is neither as far as I'm aware, but to compare him to you would be the ultimate IMOC sin!!

Whats ammusing, is that your one of these people that will sit and actually get annoyed on here, so ill leave you all to it.

I get annoyed when I waste my time explaining things in great detail (unlike any tuning house you'll come across, I try not to treat people like idiots, and give them as much fact as possible), but when you don't make money out of it, there's no point keeping your mouth shut - I speak my mind.

Im sure people will jump on the band wagon with you tho

If I had as many fans as you think, I would have got a lot more than 9 votes in the recent IMOC Birthday prizes, but I didn't. I've helped more than 10 times that amount of people in tuning their MR2s, without earning a penny from them. That's cool, I'm not bitter about it - I can understand that I'm a bit too abrasive for some people's tastes. Luckily for them, they won't need to listen to me any longer.

Personally, I don't give a xxxx if anyone likes me or not. In my time on IMOC (both the list and the forum), I've met some great people and those I consider friends will stay my friends after I've gone.

[Mark Edwards]

FPMSL at where this has gone.

Graeme, you obviously have no idea who Dino is and how much of a wealth of knowledge he is. As far as MR2 tuning on this site goes, there's a few people who's word is to be taken as gospel, Dino is one of them. If it wasn't for him, myself and others wouldn't be where we are today. It's a great shame to this community that we're going to lose this great man due to such ignorance.

I for one wished Dino would stay, but i can completely understand his reasons for giving up with this club. He gives his time and knowledge without any charge or reward and gets not only ignored but also told he's full of sh!t. It's not really any wonder we're losing such valuable members.

[Bender Unit]

Come on chaps dont turn this into another IMOC b*itch fight.

Its obvious that this approach will divide opinion. Some people are all for pushing as hard as they can with what they have got and others prefer to consider every fine detail before moving ahead.

At the end of the day both parties tend to meet in the middle.

Looks like Andy is keen to have a pop at this and is aware that its going to cost him a fair stack if / when it fails. His car and his money at the end of the day.

There is no right or wrong way to this, so no need for everyone to fall out about it and people take sides. Just offer opinion and let Andy make his mind up - which it seems he already has.

Cheers

James

[Speedy]

Come on chaps dont turn this into another IMOC b*itch fight.

Its obvious that this approach will divide opinion. Some people are all for pushing as hard as they can with what they have got and others prefer to consider every fine detail before moving ahead.

At the end of the day both parties tend to meet in the middle.

Looks like Andy is keen to have a pop at this and is aware that its going to cost him a fair stack if / when it fails. His car and his money at the end of the day.

There is no right or wrong way to this, so no need for everyone to fall out about it and people take sides. Just offer opinion and let Andy make his mind up - which it seems he already has.

Cheers

James

=D>

here here

Would be a shame to loose you Dino, always enjoy reading your posts

[jonno]

...Im quite happy not posting on here, ill leave it all to you, after all, im too busy trying to build 3sgte engines.....oh I already have.

[snip - waffle]...

Im sure people will jump on the band wagon with you tho

For some reason I am *really* looking forward to seeing you on track - wonder if your driving is as bad as your inter-personal skill?

Neil.