Any MR2 Turbo Specialists in Scotland?

[IMR2T]

I am kinda leaning that way mate...thinking I might aswell start the strip down to take the engine out.

[IMR2T]

Seems so, best remove the dash binnacle tomorrow and check the bulb then

Is the CEL bulb one of the main 501's?

Last owner had chavy blue bulbs which were so dark compared to standard white 501's, so I replaced the lot.

No. Smaller, same as other dash indicator bulbs. Just change for a known good one like oil or alternator.

CEL light was slightly loose. Papped it in. Bridged the terminals and it just flashes constantly.

Pants.

Looking like I'll be putting the car in with a Toyota Master Tech this wk. The car should be starting although the compressions pants. Something dafts stopping it.

[kev8611]

Is the CEL bulb one of the main 501's?

Last owner had chavy blue bulbs which were so dark compared to standard white 501's, so I replaced the lot.

No. Smaller, same as other dash indicator bulbs. Just change for a known good one like oil or alternator.

CEL light was slightly loose. Papped it in. Bridged the terminals and it just flashes constantly.

Pants.

Looking like I'll be putting the car in with a Toyota Master Tech this wk. The car should be starting although the compressions pants. Something dafts stopping it.

I wouldnt say its soemthing daft.

The reason for it not starting is your poor compression... they figures are pretty low. I would save your time and effort taking the car somewhere for them to turn round and tell you what you already know.

Pull the engine out

[IMR2T]

Well see I was chatting to Paul(Woodsports) today and he would expect it start aswell on those compression figures, plus my turbo would help alleviate some of my low compression.

I'm def putting another engine in it but no point when there's something electrical stopping the one I've got.

Don't want to pap another's engine in for some gremlin to stop that starting aswell.

Trust me I don't want to pee away the £200 Toyota will prob take to check it over.

[thomp1983]

Id go back to checkimg the basics first, is the spark at all 4 plugsa good strong blue spark?

The amount of test starts you've tried you may have flooded it, remove your plugs dry them with kitchen towel and leave them on a warm radiator overnight. Put your battery on charge overnight,

next day pull the efi fuse in rear fuse box and with plugs out turn the engine over for 60 seconds. Refit plugs and turn it over whilst someone sprays easystart or carb cleaner in the air inlet. When the easystart reaches the cylinder it should either cough and splutter or start and quickly die. Refit efi fuse and try starting with easystart again

[kev8611]

Well see I was chatting to Paul(Woodsports) today and he would expect it start aswell on those compression figures, plus my turbo would help alleviate some of my low compression.

I'm def putting another engine in it but no point when there's something electrical stopping the one I've got.

Don't want to pap another's engine in for some gremlin to stop that starting aswell.

Trust me I don't want to pee away the £200 Toyota will prob take to check it over.

Your turbo wont do anything while turning it over, low compression is low compression.

I would atleast get a leakdown test carried out next, it will point you in the right direction.

Speaking from experience, Before I done my forged build, my car was running a bit rough and then started to run on 3 cylinders. When checked compression one of them (cylinder 3 i think) was way down like yours. If you have 4 like this, it will struggle to start.

As thomp said, make sure you are getting a strong spark aswell, may have flooded the cylinders with unburnt fuel.

[IMR2T]

Id go back to checkimg the basics first, is the spark at all 4 plugsa good strong blue spark?

The amount of test starts you've tried you may have flooded it, remove your plugs dry them with kitchen towel and leave them on a warm radiator overnight. Put your battery on charge overnight,

next day pull the efi fuse in rear fuse box and with plugs out turn the engine over for 60 seconds. Refit plugs and turn it over whilst someone sprays easystart or carb cleaner in the air inlet. When the easystart reaches the cylinder it should either cough and splutter or start and quickly die. Refit efi fuse and try starting with easystart again

Ok mate, will try this tomorrow.

The 5's that it did run with before the belt was a blue spark and inline with the electrode. Does it really take that long to dry off the fuel from the plugs? You normally see the fuel evaporate so quickly when spilt etc.

Battery's gd to go

I'm assuming I'm cranking it over for so long to help push out any excess fuel? Would there be a collection of fuel under my piston that's seeped past the rings causing me starting issues?

Was chatting today to Paul about easy start down the throttle, will try this aswell tomorrow, cheers mate

[IMR2T]

Well see I was chatting to Paul(Woodsports) today and he would expect it start aswell on those compression figures, plus my turbo would help alleviate some of my low compression.

I'm def putting another engine in it but no point when there's something electrical stopping the one I've got.

Don't want to pap another's engine in for some gremlin to stop that starting aswell.

Trust me I don't want to pee away the £200 Toyota will prob take to check it over.

Your turbo wont do anything while turning it over, low compression is low compression.

I would atleast get a leakdown test carried out next, it will point you in the right direction.

Speaking from experience, Before I done my forged build, my car was running a bit rough and then started to run on 3 cylinders. When checked compression one of them (cylinder 3 i think) was way down like yours. If you have 4 like this, it will struggle to start.

As thomp said, make sure you are getting a strong spark aswell, may have flooded the cylinders with unburnt fuel.

Leakdown would be awesome

Ok will batter in tomorrow

[thomp1983]

If any fuel has got past your rings your oil level will be high and smell of fuel

[IMR2T]

Sorted mate, will hopefully get to the bottom of it this wk.

[IMR2T]

Cars in with Toyota...hoping they see something I've missed

[mr2garageswindon]

Just a daft thought, you havent swapped the ht leads off the dizzy at any point at all? As in the ignition firing order is correct?

[IMR2T]

I haven't mate, popped the plug end of the leads off a few times but always put back on in the right order.

HT leads are the only ignition part I've not changed since it died that day the timing belt went. Sending them to Toyota today.

Still not heard anything from Toyota yet...no idea what's taking them so long

[IMR2T]

Update -

Toyota called me earlier.

He said the crank pulley was 3 clicks(?) out hence why it wouldn't start.

I'm doubtful it was that but apparently it runs now and I'm no expert.

I'll collect it tomorrow and ask him how the crank gear was out of alignment as I never took it off and there's only one notch on it. I may be wrong.

4hrs labour = £288

[ashley]

He said the crank pulley was 3 clicks(?) out hence why it wouldn't start.

Sounds like he's saying the timing belt was out, and by three teeth on the crank timing pulley, maybe the belt slipped on the crank pulley when you were fitting it to the cam pulleys?

[IMR2T]

Yeah crank timing was the issue.

I popped the alt and ac belts off to take off the crank pulley so I could see the notch on the crank and where it was lined up. At that point it sat at 0deg.

Maybe there's something else I missed but I'm doubtful.

Glad it's back up and running.

Will get the full low down of the crank situ tomorrow when I collect it.

[Ryan S]

This is good news man, £288 is a snip compared to what you might have had to pay, also the hassle and time it's saved

[IMR2T]

This is good news man, £288 is a snip compared to what you might have had to pay, also the hassle and time it's saved

This is very true my friend - I likd how you've always got a positive attitude

[Ryan S]

This is good news man, £288 is a snip compared to what you might have had to pay, also the hassle and time it's saved

This is very true my friend - I likd how you've always got a positive attitude

I'm a glass half full type of chap

[IMR2T]

This is good news man, £288 is a snip compared to what you might have had to pay, also the hassle and time it's saved

This is very true my friend - I likd how you've always got a positive attitude

I'm a glass half full type of chap

Why do I get the feeling that's a prerequisite with a 20yr old car, ha?!!