Help!!! advice needed, error 34 and no ooomph!!!

[thomp1983]

You are making hard work of this all you needed to do was align the notch in the big crank pulley you removed with the 0 on the lower timing cover. Then remove the covers and tensioner and wind the cams round to there marks and replace the belt.

[masterbateson]

Oh now you tell me!!!

Wonder why that guide tells me to do all this malarky?

i only followed that guide because Peter Sbits had put a link on too it on another thread about doing the cambelt.



Like a lot of things, its dead easy when you know how, and in this case definitely not easy if you don't know how and follow a guide.

[masterbateson]

P.s.
Mr Thomp,

are you saying that you can do the whole job and not have to remove the engine mounts at all??

I'm going to have a light doo if thats the case.

Next your going to tell me I don't need the cam cover off to set the timing.

[bobhatton]

Oh now you tell me!!!

Wonder why that guide tells me to do all this malarky?

i only followed that guide because Peter Sbits had put a link on too it on another thread about doing the cambelt.



Like a lot of things, its dead easy when you know how, and in this case definitely not easy if you don't know how and follow a guide.

You are not doing the cam belt, you are only setting the cam timing

[thomp1983]

None of the bits you need to remove are that difficult, which leads to one of several options,

a, your toolkit just isn't sufficient for the job
b, you have a short temper when things are difficult
c, you'd rather whine to the internet when things are hard instead of digging in

All of the above only you can deal with, you've mentioned several times the intercooler was in the way have you removed it? Several questions you've asked have been answered with reference to the bgb have you obtained and read a copy yet?

The engine mount is quite simple to remove, you either just don't have suitable tools or are missing something you could do to improve access.

You just need to get stuck in and grit your teeth when it's frustrating, the most difficult bit of an mr2 timing belt is usually the water pump as one of the bolts doesn't like coming out be glad your not dealing with that and crack on

[masterbateson]

You are not doing the cam belt, you are only setting the cam timing

Nope sorry, I'm not getting it from what i can see in 9+10 which i posted from my copy of the BGB isn't that just showing you how to check your cm timing?

I don't see how you can adjust the crank/cam timing with the cam cover on and the tensioner not removed? and the belt in place.


If your saying there is an easier way I'd love to know how, although everything is off now so it doesn't make a lot of difference this time.

I'm going back to the BGB to see if there is something i am missing/ not see'ing, I am confused.com

[kev8611]

I think you should just leave it and get someone that knows what they are doing. It is common sense for anyone with decent mechanical knowledge and knows mr2's how to check the timing.

If you are finding it daunting to follow that then down tools now...... I dont mean that in an offensive way btw

Take cam cover off.
Line crank pulley (not sprocket) up with "0" on the cover
Check notches on cams line up the ones on the bearing caps on the head.
If they do, Rebuilld it. If not then you start doing what your doing now

Job done

[2mad]

Take cam cover off.
Line crank pulley (not sprocket) up with "0" on the cover
Check notches on cams line up the ones on the bearing caps on the head.
If they do, Rebuilld it. If not then you start doing what your doing now

Job done

Thats the first thing in 2 or 3 pages that has made any sense to me , well done Kev .. No wonder Paul having a nightmare .

This cant be so difficult that someone cant talk him through it step by step ... can it ?

Sorry I cant help mate , cam timing was about the only thing right on my car so didnt touch it . wish i could help this must be really dragging on for you now

[masterbateson]

follow what your saying Kev re putting the cover back on etc, just slightly confused by the variance of what i see to the guide i was following.

I am actually going to get help from a expert off MR2OC who is going to come round sat and show me whats what.

Here's a couple of pics 1st one shows the crank and the difference in the casing towards the one in the guide.


2nd shows the state of my mullered lower cam cover, some butcher has really ragged this in the past, very poor.

[kev8611]

Yeah but what I am saying is you have taken too much off.

You dont have to take the cover off to check the crank timing. theres a notch on the pulley that you have removed.

Yeah ok your cover has seen better days but it was still bolted onto the engine as the lugs are all intact.

As said before, the guide is for changing the cambelt, your only checking your timing.

I would put the cover back on, refit the pulley and get it lined up, then take your cam cover off and check the notches

[fred130111]

Not ever done this myself but I think what he is saying is

Put the destroyed plastic cover back on.

Line the crank shaft up with the marking / tab on the broken plastic cover ?

Then line the two cam shafts up to TDC

Flop the belt back on and your a winner?

Correct me if im wrong guys

[kev8611]

Yeah this ^

[masterbateson]

the thing is i get what your saying, but i have already checked the timing and it was out.
The job i am on with now is taking off and refitting the belt with the timing adjusted/corrected.

But yeah i get / follow what your saying fred, the putting the cover back on to allign makes sense, its just different to the guide i was following and probably better.

[fred130111]

Hmmm again I may be wrong but I am pretty sure you don't have to take the belt completely off if you are just adjusting the timing.

I think if you get a socket + wrench on the crankshaft pulley bolt you can turn it to the correct place ( what people mentioned about it being in line with that plastic tab thing on the destroyed plastic cover ) ( this cover needs to go back on to make life easier.

Once the crank is all lined up you line the cam shafts up to the markings at the top

Then when it is all lined up you slip the belt back on and sort the tensioner out.

[masterbateson]

well i suppose it will all com clear tomoro when my tame mechanic pal off MR2OC comes round.

At least then i can watch him do whats necessary and he can talk me through what needs to be done for the next time it may need doing.

hopefully though i wont need to worry about this again.

[thomp1983]

Any news chap?

[masterbateson]

Well was hoping to be driving around in my toy yest afternoon or today at least.
However after Tom popped by for a look he recommended I get a cam belt kit with replacement bearings/pulleys.
For one thing the bearing that the tensioner pushes against had a missing washer/spacer that somebody had replaced with one not thick enough plus it was a bit notchy/worn.

So unfortunately I dont get to play just yet, so going to order a cambelt kit a replacement crankpulley as thats a bit chewed and maybe a cambelt cover.

On the plus side, I found a japanese coin under the drivers car seat whilst cleaning her out!

[2mad]

Sounds like your tame mechanic has given you some sound advice .. sure it will be worth the wait ... keep plugging away Paul you'll get there soon


Kudos on the coin found one myself doing a valet

[masterbateson]

Ordered a cambelt kit today so got a belt and 2 pulleys coming, also ordered a replacement crank pulley to as mine is a bit dog eared.
Next day delivery but its prob going to be fri or sat before i can get to work.

Tom from MR2oc has already timed things up ready too.

[fred130111]

You got any pictures of the car?