Help!!! advice needed, error 34 and no ooomph!!!

[masterbateson]

Are there cam locking tools you can buy/use when doing this job?
You can get them for the K series, lets you lock the exhaust and inlet cams whilst your putting belt back and putting tension back on.

The dooofrey goes between the 2 cam pulleys and is made of alloy and looks a bit like one of the diablo toy things.

[thomp1983]

Ive no idea if you can get a locking tool there not really necessary anyway.

When you take the belt off you'll see several cogs/pulleys it goes round, spin them all by hand apart from the water pump they should spin quite freely with no rough spots

[masterbateson]

Well been out in the garage (bloomin freezin) i must be mad.

Came in as
A: its late
and
B: hit a snag (or 2)

Main snag is I cant get the AC belt off how on earth do you do it?

I've found the tensioner bolt but when i unscrew it all that happens is the bolt comes up, the pulley doesnt go down
I found a how to but the pics were missing, do you have to undo the nut in the middle of the top pulley as well? and if so how?

I can hardly get my hand in with the intercooler there, and the nut wont shift for love nor money.

Other snag/problem i had was on the how too guide for the timing belt it refers to removing the RHS spreader plate on the engine mount.
Well I looked and scratched my head for ages, couldnt find the bloomin thing, eventually after peering into the engine bay despondently and glance at the pic on my laptop i discovered the soddin spreader plate was already off! as in missing/not put back by previous owner or his mechanic
So no wonder as a newbie to the job i couldnt find the thing.
Anyone got a spare spreader plate???
Anyway I have stopped play for tonight and am about to partake in a few bottles of guiness's dublin porter.

[thomp1983]

have you read this?

http://www.mr2.com/ARTICLE/TimingBeltSW20.html

did you remove the engine lifting hook to allow more access?

i wouldn't worry too much about the spreader plate for the minute, the engines not going to fall out without it

[masterbateson]

Hmm thanks for the linky Mr thomp

I must say i dont like that guys writing style, but its info /help i could use.

Dont want to cut the A/C belt as it looks new, although maybe thats because the last clown that set up my timing wrong couldnt get the A/c belt of either

[masterbateson]

Aaaaagghhhhh!!!! This car is fighting me all the way where's the crying Smiley when you need one.

I can not for love nor money get the Nut to shift on the centre of The A/C pulley, Its nigh on impossible to get a spanner on and have good leverage.

The nut is starting to round as the ut/bolt seems seized on, you can get a 14mm spanner on, but when you manage(which in itself is difficult) to get some leverage on it, the spanner just starts to slip round.

Does anyone know if it opposite threaded? or is it anti clockwise/left to loosen/get it off?

I am thinking I am going to have to take the intercooler out, so that i can get a socket and wrench on to the blasted thing?

Any suggestions?

And is it relatively easy/straightforward to remove the intercooler?

I have retreated to the computer for a bit of respite as its starting to get me cheesed off,I have even resorted to breaking out a bottle of beer.

[thomp1983]

a spanner is not really the tool for undoing a pulley nut unless it's a decent swan neck that fits fully over the bolt.

from memory the intercooler can be a pain to remove if it's not been off before as one of the bolts is difficult to get to, alot of people destroy them when removing them (assuming were talking stock i/c)

you could put a trolley jack with a block of wood under the sump and remove the engine mount and then by either jacking it up or lowering it you can get more access but be careful you don't stress anything else whilst doing it.

id suspect a decent swan neck spanner is what you want for the job really

[masterbateson]

I've got a swan neck spanner but i cant get it on as there's not enough room between the bolt of the AC pulley and the intercooler.

Might try again in a bit but to be honest feel like my mojo has walked out the door.
Bloody stupid seized on bolt has got me really cheesed off.

And while Im at it, who in there right mind decided to engineer things so you have absolutely no room what so ever to work!!!!!
AAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rant over.

[thomp1983]

welcome to performance jap cars very few of them can be worked off without removing ancillary parts first.

if your i/c's been removed before then the difficult to access bolt is likely missing meaning it will be easy to remove.

as for your mojo, yes they can be awkward but it's not fixing itself so either suck it up or get your chequebook out

This may help too

http://www.mrtwo.net/mr2modproject/serv ... cooler.htm

[masterbateson]

I thought working on the MGTF was hard work untill i started this job

One thing i have found is that this guide is very helpfull

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/kb.php?mode=article&k=132

but does not seem to be the same for the turbo.
the bit where you try to remove the engine hanger section 12, well it may come out on a non turbo model but when you try and take it up and out on a turbo the hanger catches on the intercooler.
Anybody on here with a turbo, followed this guide and managed ok?

One things for sure I am not going out into the garage tonight

[masterbateson]

got a bit further, dog legish engine mount out,and lower cam cover out, someone in the past has totaly wrecked the lower cam cover, its virtually split in two plus there is a hole where it looks like cover has been ragged off with a bolt still in place and they've managed to rip a chunk out of the cover.

Anyhoo thats the least of my probs, ive been following this guide

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/kb.php?mode=article&k=132

At step 15 of this guide it shows the cam pulley and it has a mark/notch on it and also it mentions about the gap in the casing.

Well my pulley seems to have no notch/mark and there is no gap in the casing


cant seem to get a good pic will try again
Is there a difference between one rev and another?
Mine has a line type thing in the casting but no gap?
I'm puzzled
Also when i released the tensioner, the belt seemed to stay tensioned?
whats going on man?

[Lee H]

I never found the marks mentioned on my rev 2 or rev 3 engine. I always replace the lower cover and crank pulley and use the marks on that set to zero.

The only way to "release" the tensioner is to unbolt the two bolts holding it to the cylinder head and taking it off.

[masterbateson]

Glad its not just me being dense I've got to say that now i have got to this stage and I couldnt find the marks in the guide it got me a bit stressed/depressed as i suffer with that a bit.

At least now i know that they dont all have those marks, i dont feel as bad/daft.

I was wondering if the marks i need to line up are the ones I've highlighted below.


Its a bit annoying, i feel i have broke the back of the job and should be on the home straight, but now Im feeling a bit deflated/nervous.

[masterbateson]

I forgot to mention Lee, that was/is a good idea if I'm struggling to find the marks i was expecting.
I could put the cam cover in place to line up the crank to where i need it to be

Here is another Newbie question, but can you turn the cam pulleys by hand at the top, to allign them?

[Draven]

bar them over with a spanner.

[bobhatton]

Glad its not just me being dense I've got to say that now i have got to this stage and I couldnt find the marks in the guide it got me a bit stressed/depressed as i suffer with that a bit.

At least now i know that they dont all have those marks, i dont feel as bad/daft.

I was wondering if the marks i need to line up are the ones I've highlighted below.
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Its a bit annoying, i feel i have broke the back of the job and should be on the home straight, but now Im feeling a bit deflated/nervous.

You did not need to go and take so much off, the timing marks are on the front pully and lower cam belt cover all as per the info in the BGB.

[bobhatton]

Not sure about this inspection cover? thought i had read about something like it, but i cant see one in the drivers side wheel arch?
What i can say for deffo is that if i turn the engine over so that I get the inlet and exhaust cams to line up with their notches facing 12 and meeting up with the mark on the case/block the marking on the crank pulley never lines up anywhere near TDC for cylinder one marking.
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Also if i turn engine over(i have taken plugs out to make it easier) if i turn till notch of exhaust cam is spot on lined up, the inlet cam is almost lined up but slightly retarded, think this is fairly minor though compared with the fact that I can never get timing mark "0" if i have turned engine over till exhaust and inlet cams are lined up at 12 o clock.
Think this confirms my fears as to why the dizzy was at one end when we checked ignition timing.

This is how you do it, 9 first then 10

[masterbateson]

I'm sorry Bob
But I'm not following you re

This is how you do it, 9 first then 10

Was there suppose to be an attached link or how to thingy?
Presumably i have to take off the tensioner though if i want to set the crank up correctly to the cams? other wise how do you move the belt/cams accordingly.

I'm sure it all makes sense to anyone who has done these before but I am learning as i go, at least I am hoping I am learning

[masterbateson]

P.s. has anyone got a lower cam cover I can buy off you?

Dont really want to put back the knackered old thing thats almost dropped off this car,

[bobhatton]

I'm sorry Bob
But I'm not following you re

This is how you do it, 9 first then 10

Was there suppose to be an attached link or how to thingy?
Presumably i have to take off the tensioner though if i want to set the crank up correctly to the cams? other wise how do you move the belt/cams accordingly.

I'm sure it all makes sense to anyone who has done these before but I am learning as i go, at least I am hoping I am learning

It is in your photo.

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