[Mk2] [Turbo] i want 300bhp ish :P

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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] i want 300bhp ish :P

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So I found this....



The next modification is a tricky one that requires the use of a wideband O2 (oxygen) sensor to do properly. Most performance shops that rent dyno time will hook one of these up to your car while you are using the dyno (and if they don't, go elsewhere). The stock ECU (Electronic Control Unit--the computer that controls the engine) is programmed to dump a lot of extra fuel after the boost pressure reaches 12psi to keep the engine safe from detonation. This extra fuel, however, reduces power by lowering combustion temperatures that we can reclaim by "leaning" the air-fuel mixture so that there is a little less fuel and a little more air than the ECU is programmed to deliver. The "best" air-fuel ratio (AFR) to run the 3S-GTE at on pump gas is around 11.5:1. The least expensive way to lean the AFR safely is to get an adjustable fuel pressure regulator, an inexpensive fuel pressure gauge and a fuel computer such as the S-AFC. Some performance shops will tell you that you only need an S-AFC, but the safest combination is to use all three. Install both the fuel pressure regulator and the S-AFC. Set the S-AFC to zero adjustment across the board and adjust the base fuel pressure to 35psi (base fuel pressure is the pressure when the fuel pump is running but the engine is not, insert a paper clip in your diagnostic connector between +B and FP to produce this condition). Take the car to a dyno and hook a wideband O2 meter to it. Readjust the base fuel pressure to 30psi and add about 10% fuel at every point in the RPM range. Do a pull on the dyno and print out the AFR chart. It should start at around 14.5:1 and quickly drop to near 10.0:1 or even lower. Use the S-AFC to take out a little fuel in the ranges above 3500 RPMs where the AFR is under 11.5:1 but don't go under the stock (0%) level. When you (or the tuner) is finished, you should be at or close to 11.5:1 AFR under high boost and you should have picked up another 10-15rwhp to get you in the 240-245rwhp range. This is around 300 horsepower at the flywheel, which is 50% more power than you get out of the stock 3S-GTE. Not bad for a $1000-$2000 dollar total investment so far.


On this web page if you'd want to read more....

http://www.tunemytoyota.com/forum/showt ... p?p=118351

I've got a fuel pressure regulator on the car, it's been there since I bought it, is it a good idea to buy an apexi safc and control the afr, or am I better just getting an ecu? I'm thinking it'd be much cheaper with the same results using the safc no?
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] i want 300bhp ish :P

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Americans over inflate bhp figures - 245whp is 275 fly at best
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The figures aren't what I'm on about... I was wondering if 300 bhp would be achievable with a safc and fpr instead of a standalone ecu
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] i want 300bhp ish :P

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Doubt it if you're still running 440cc injectors. If you are running them they'd be running at max duty or very near it. You MAY be able to get to 300bhp but as for reliability I couldn't say.

I always say.

Reliable, Power, Cheap. You only can choose two
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In that case wouldn't I still need larger injectors with a stand alone ecu too?
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What turbo are you running?
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] i want 300bhp ish :P

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Fensport stage 3 hybrid ct26
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] i want 300bhp ish :P

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rev3 ignition/fuel conversion, maybe the head too. breathing mods and a boost controller, 300bhp fairly easily.

I can't see a reliable 300bhp with 440s. yes it's been done on track cars etc but the injectors were at 100% duty, that's not how you want to run your road car, not if you value it :thumleft:
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Has the rev 3 got larger injectors?
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dylan5084 wrote:Has the rev 3 got larger injectors?


540s :thumleft:
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With the amount you want, I'd just save up and get the engine rebuilt. You're going to needa metal head gasket too. 300bhp is just the beginning I bet

280 is what you're looking atwith your setup, Which to be fair is not bad
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dylan5084 wrote:Fensport stage 3 hybrid ct26


Get a real turbo. They claim big numbers, but they never, ever deliver.
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Turbo is fine for 300bhp. It's the fuelling and ignition you need to sort :thumleft:
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Odin_S wrote:With the amount you want, I'd just save up and get the engine rebuilt. You're going to needa metal head gasket too. 300bhp is just the beginning I bet

280 is what you're looking atwith your setup, Which to be fair is not bad


I have a metal head gasket.

Yea last time I was at The rollers I was at 275bhp, but hitting detonation all the time, but my piston rings are gubbed, I've just bought a block and in need of some pistons, I want to go forged... But my knowledge on engines is low, I've been doing the learning game with the mr2 turbo...

I like my turbo Power doesnt dip all the way to the red line, but I get too much boost creep plan on welding up the wastegate and adding an external one
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