Arent turbos sluggish when trying to drive off boost??

[michael]

BTW that was on 'Maxxis' tyres in the wet and with overheating PAS fluid

[Ed]

Hi:

I used to race motorcycles in my day, and we always used to say that the fastest guy on the road was the slowest on the track. It is a fact that a well-sorted turbo car will beat a well-sorted NA car given equal skill of driver. But I reckon that a lot of the turbo owners get used to seeing other cars getting smaller in their rear-view mirrors... on the road... but on the track it's a different story.

On the track it is all about maintaining speed.

For example, in the early 1990s I used to pitch my Aprilia 125 race bike against Honda Fireblades and the like at Snetterton (one of my favourite tracks). 35 HP against a hundred and thirty five (or thereabouts). These were road-riders, I admit, but they couldn't get past me. A few did on the end of the main straight, but I was soon past them and they'd try again on the back straight and, by the time I'd hit the "bomb hole", they'd be several bike-lengths behind.

You see, long-standing avid NA owners have to work their cars to get the most out of them. If I am going to take you in your turbo car then I cannot do it on the straight. I'm gonna take you on the brakes on the entrance to a curve. If you are just a smidgen off-line then the nose of my car will be pushing you to the outside. Now you are in trouble! You can't turn in, because I'm there. You are off-line and no amount of power is going to help you. There are no traffic-lights to stop us and nothing is coming the other way. This is a track and different rules apply.

So you get mad and try to take me but a curve is coming up, and another one, and another one. You think you will take me on the main straight. But by the time we get there I am 3 car-lengths ahead and 20mph faster. You could have taken me... if the straight was another 200 yards... but it wasn't... and so you try again...

Now don't get me wrong, if I were in a turbo car against me in a NA I would win. But my theory is, most of the turbo owners get used to being fast on the road and, subsequently, end up being slowest on track.

Regards,
Jim

Good points but your assumption in the last paragraph is that all turbo owners are road drivers and that all NA owners only drive on a track.

Yes a race driver in an NA would give a turbo owner who only drives on the road a run for their money, but as most owners generally only use their 2 on the road with the occasional track day, where you are not allowed to race each other, then the point is mute.
Ed

[EarL]

As has been said already it's not the car, it's how you use it and anyone who disagrees should grab a passenger ride with Jonno at Elvington, in fact Neil should charge people for passenger rides, it's really that much fun!

...where do I pay!

[michael]

...where do I pay!

Just send £30 to my usual Paypal address, I'll make sure Neil gets his £1.50

[EarL]

...where do I pay!

Just send £30 to my usual Paypal address, I'll make sure Neil gets his £1.50

So that'll be www.thisthreadispointless.co.uk yeah?

[Essex MR2]

jonno Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 6:42 am Post subject:
I cant help thinking that a few more pasenger rides are in order at the next trackday

I'll have one of those pleeeeeeeease!!
Would love to see how they're meant to be driven!

[Goto10]

and with overheating PAS fluid

..is that a common Supra fault or something? Does it over heat if you do a lot of 3 point turns too?

[michael]

and with overheating PAS fluid

..is that a common Supra fault or something? Does it over heat if you do a lot of 3 point turns too?

LOL no, I just stayed out too long and with 255 tyres on the front and lots of corners it got a bit too much for the old dear

[Lauren]

....most of the turbo owners get used to being fast on the road and, subsequently, end up being slowest on track.

I cant help thinking that a few more pasenger rides are in order at the next trackday

Okay, you do some, i'll do some in my MK1 NA, it'll be like going from one extreme to the other powerwise.

[Goto10]

and with overheating PAS fluid

..is that a common Supra fault or something? Does it over heat if you do a lot of 3 point turns too?

LOL no, I just stayed out too long and with 255 tyres on the front and lots of corners it got a bit too much for the old dear

Keeping in theme of straying OT, why do some Souprahs have bonnet vents and some not..?

http://www.megaboost.co.uk/supra/photos ... red-06.jpg

mmmm

[jonno]

...where do I pay!

Just send £30 to my usual Paypal address, I'll make sure Neil gets his £1.50

Yeah, just pay Michael he will cover my tyre and fuel costs for the day

[michael]

Keeping in theme of straying OT, why do some Souprahs have bonnet vents and some not..?

It's a Euro afterthought following autobahn testing, they glued one on and added a carefully crafted scoop in the engine bay to transfer cold air down between the turbos and the block to add cooling.

Having said this those without never seem to have any problems so it's probably just Toyota being cautious to keep the Germans happy.

[jonno]

Keeping in theme of straying OT, why do some Souprahs have bonnet vents and some not..?

It's a Euro afterthought following autobahn testing, they glued one on and added a carefully crafted scoop in the engine bay to transfer cold air down between the turbos and the block to add cooling.

Having said this those without never seem to have any problems so it's probably just Toyota being cautious to keep the Germans happy.

Are we going to have a pre trackday curry and video session again?

[michael]

Are we going to have a pre trackday curry and video session again?

Would probably be rude not to

[jonno]

splendid!

[jonno]

....most of the turbo owners get used to being fast on the road and, subsequently, end up being slowest on track.

I cant help thinking that a few more pasenger rides are in order at the next trackday

Okay, you do some, i'll do some in my MK1 NA, it'll be like going from one extreme to the other powerwise.

Reliability wise too I havent driven Elvington properly yet, last time I was having to change up at 4k to stop the IC pipework falling apart!

[jonno]

Forgot to mention Lauren, its about time we took each _other_out for some passenger laps!! - I spent ages tracking you down at the TOC day but everytime I was ready to go out you were somewhere else!. I took Mark out in the end

[Goto10]

I was ready to go out you were somewhere else!. I took Mark out in the end

I took Mark out in the end

...then one thing led to another...

[jonno]

I was ready to go out you were somewhere else!. I took Mark out in the end

I took Mark out in the end

...then one thing led to another...

*snigger*

[Gazboy]

Keeping in theme of straying OT, why do some Souprahs have bonnet vents and some not..?

It's a Euro afterthought following autobahn testing, they glued one on and added a carefully crafted scoop in the engine bay to transfer cold air down between the turbos and the block to add cooling.

Having said this those without never seem to have any problems so it's probably just Toyota being cautious to keep the Germans happy.

True, the yanks managed without them, but NZ cars were the same as euro spec cars. Funny old world...