Toyota Sprint Series

[alan wheeldon]

Not sure if many people know about this but there are 6 rounds a year at different airfields/tracks sponsored through "Javelin Trackdays"

We are currently on our 4th round and it costs £100 to enter for one event (full days racing). Your car has to have an MOT and thats about it to be eligible to race.

You get put into a race class to suite your car to make it more competitive ie, NA class, Turbo class etc...

You race yourself against the clock to try and improve on your timed runs throughout the day so you dont have to fear about hitting another car (bit like a rally stage).

Its a cheap and friendly place to be if you fancy a track day with an added bit of competition.

For more information have a look on the website and sign up to say hello

http://www.toyotasprint.com/tss/index.php

[cartledge_uk]

Do you still have to buy that stupid mickey mouse "race licence" even if you have a MSA/FIA race license.

Personally I do MSA sprints, actually recognised by the MSA

[alan wheeldon]

Yes you need a IOPD (international organisation of professional drivers) licence which is £15 for the year and can be bought from any of the events. This is simply a card which says you agree to all the rules and regulations.

You do not need to have any other licence apart from a standard driving licence and your car needs to have a valid MOT.

Its a great series for beginners who want some cheap track action with there cars, without the need of getting a propper MSA race licence.

[cartledge_uk]

Yes you need a IOPD (international organisation of professional drivers) licence which is £15 for the year and can be bought from any of the events. This is simply a card which says you agree to all the rules and regulations.

You do not need to have any other licence apart from a standard driving licence and your car needs to have a valid MOT.

Its a great series for beginners who want some cheap track action with there cars, without the need of getting a propper MSA race licence.

The MSA license for sprints is £25 a year and officially internationally recognised for MSA (motor sports association) events.

Disclaimers are for agreeing to rules and regs. Having to Pay £15 for a IOPD when you have an MSA license is a joke (IMHO)

[kaiowas]

Having to Pay £15 for a IOPD when you have an MSA license is a joke (IMHO)

Why does this bother you so much? They're just different licences for different organising bodies. Try taking your MSA licence to a BRISCA stock car race and see how far it gets you...

£15 isn't exactly a lot to pay either.

[cartledge_uk]

Why does this bother you so much? They're just different licences for different organising bodies. Try taking your MSA licence to a BRISCA stock car race and see how far it gets you...

£15 isn't exactly a lot to pay either.

I dont compete in stock cars though so that comment is irrelevant.

Becasue MSA is the recognised governing body for motor sport in the uk.

TSS tries to pass off the IOPD as a "race licence" and its not. Its something that clears the organised from being sued if anything goes wrong.

Its not the money its the principle.

[vix]

Becasue MSA is the recognised governing body for motor sport in the uk.

TSS tries to pass off the IOPD as a "race licence" and its not. Its something that clears the organised from being sued if anything goes wrong.

Its not the money its the principle.

No, they don't - they have to do it for insurance purposes.

Some of us don't have the cars or the eqipment to compete in MSA sprints, and we prefer to get more than 2 runs for our money

[alan wheeldon]

TSS tries to pass off the IOPD as a "race licence" and its not. Its something that clears the organised from being sued if anything goes wrong.

Its not the money its the principle.

Yes that is right, it is NOT a race licence and I never said it was a race licence. You must have misunderstood my post

You do not need a race licence to compete in the TSS as it is a low cost motorsport mainly aimed at people who fancy a bit of fun competition on a track and a chance to improve your driving skills. You seem to be taking it a little too seriously.

I race a box standard MR2 turbo in this series, I drive the car there and back, im not winning or anything like that but I have noticed my times and driving skills are getting better and better with the whole track experience. Its a great friendly atmosphere and everyone will help and teach you how to go quicker with what you have

Its also fun competing against the Celica GT4 boys and girls

[loudandproud205]

am with cartlidge on the principle, if you have an msa approved and in date licence then you shouldnt need anything else as it is the highest avalible in that class so to speak.

how ever on the other side of it, it opens the events to the mere mortals that dont have funding to get the full msa licence then pay for the add on for it.

sounds good fun and via javelin, i would be interested in next season i think as am chasing a boost issue at the moment.

is there anywhere i can look at an event list? as am not mad keen on rough air fields that are just gonna shred my tyres

[alan wheeldon]

I think the closest one to you would be Barkston Heath near Grantham which has a great smooth twisty track. We have just had a meeting there this weekend.

Most of the events are airfields but we did have one at Rockingham raceway earlier in the year. To be honest though I am prefering the airfields

Just click the link on my first post and at the top of the page under "2010" you can see where all the events are

[Nod]

Just reading the rules and need clarification.

RWD to 4WD allowed, engine must stay in-line. Now, my MR2 will have the engine in the original place and behind the OEM bulkhead, but will be inline.

Does this qualify?

[tonigmr2]

While we're asking Qs am I reading this right, only three classes a 1.6L NA class, over 1.6L forced induction being two? What if you're a 1.8NA, you're sort of knackered aren't you?

[alan wheeldon]

Nod your building a 4wd MR2, that sounds immense!! If I understood you correctly that will be allowed.

And tonigmr2, you have read it slightly wrong, there are 8 classes altogether:

Class A1: Over 1600cc Forced Induction (all modifications allowed)
Class A2: Over 1600cc Forced Induction (aftermarket ECU)
Class A3: Over 1600cc Forced Induction (standard ECU)

Class B: Up to 1600cc Forced Induction

Class C: Over 1600cc Normally Aspirated
Class D: Up to 1600 cc Normally Aspirated

Class E: Diesel
Class F: Up to 1000cc Normally Aspirated


Your car would be "Class C: Over 1600cc Normally Aspirated"

A1, A2 and A3 are all over 1600cc turbo cars but being as performance can dramatically change with boost etc the A class is split into 3 seperate groups to make sure if you have a standard engine you are not competing against someone who has got a 600bhp engine.

Hope that clears things up a little

[tonigmr2]

Ta, bit confusing in the MR2 Only mag tbh!

[cartledge_uk]

Yes that is right, it is NOT a race licence and I never said it was a race licence. You must have misunderstood my post

You do not need a race licence to compete in the TSS as it is a low cost motorsport mainly aimed at people who fancy a bit of fun competition on a track and a chance to improve your driving skills. You seem to be taking it a little too seriously.

5-1b, All competitors must hold an IOPD Competition license. These will be available on the day of the event at a cost of £5 for a day licence, or £15 for an Annual Licence.

LOL! sorry you were saying?

And again, An MSA sprint license, an official internationally recognised document is only £20-25 per year.

[bazzagt4]

Hi Folks,

It would appear we are floging a dead horse here and for that reason would like this thread to be stopped please. I and Adrian have worked very hard to give fellow toyota owners a platform in which to enjoy their cars in a safe and fun enviroment, All this bickering makes me very sad and just goes to confirm that some people just want to spoil others enjoyment. Alan came on here with the sole intention of letting people know about the nice day he had at the TSS only to be hammered down by a moderator that should know better, these forums are not a hunting ground for a fight but a place to socialise and enjoy each others experiances. I care not that people want to take part from the IMOC but I do care for the people that do and I cant stand bullies so please can we either keep this about the TSS or delete the thread completly.

Regards

[Tomiam]

Oh my god... I can not seriously believe how worked up a few people have become over a £5 / £15 IOPD license with all this quote and double quoting!! Seriously... its a £5 / £15. /boggle.
I might be wrong... but didnt you throw your toys out of the pram over something to do with TSS a year or two ago Cartledge? Just that your reaction to this thread is immediately on the attack against a series which is a lot of fun for, id hope, most MR2 owners. Not really what Id expect from a moderator on these forums.

Good luck to TSS - The time I spent in it in 2008 I REALLY enjoyed myself.
Cheap low hassle motorsport. Made a lot of friends, had a laugh, drove crap at a few events and drove a bit better at some more.
Really friendly atmosphere, learned a lot and was great fun.

[cartledge_uk]

Oh my god... I can not seriously believe how worked up a few people have become over a £5 / £15 IOPD license with all this quote and double quoting!! Seriously... its a £5 / £15. /boggle.
I might be wrong... but didnt you throw your toys out of the pram over something to do with TSS a year or two ago Cartledge? Just that your reaction to this thread is immediately on the attack against a series which is a lot of fun for, id hope, most MR2 owners. Not really what Id expect from a moderator on these forums.

Good luck to TSS - The time I spent in it in 2008 I REALLY enjoyed myself.
Cheap low hassle motorsport. Made a lot of friends, had a laugh, drove crap at a few events and drove a bit better at some more.
Really friendly atmosphere, learned a lot and was great fun.

You all are completely taking my comments out of hand, but I will humour a response.

Firstly, any comments on this thread are my own, my own opinion, and nothing to do with IMOC.

I did not throw any toys:
-I complained on behalf of a number of members about the T-bar rule, as they believed having to remove them for the reasons stated completely disagreeable.

-I complained about a sudden change of mind about rules about stripping cars and roll cages because some MR2 members were "priced out" having stripped the car as a low cost performance benefit, then told they needed a roll cage.

And I upheld my protest by paying the entry fee for the year (£100 was it) then not competing once. Personally my MR2 charger is a Tin top and has a full interior so neither of the rules above apply although I was considering stripping it at the time, and my MR2 N/a is a sunroof and has a full interior. Or my SERA which was also full interior and no Tbar, again none of the rules I protested about apply.

Another moderator on here was banned from the TSS 2 years ago because he voiced his opinion, perhaps you are thinking of them?

And i'm certainly not bullying anyone. I asked a simple question about the IOPD admittedly ill phrased and biased. If you check if anything I am being questioned by more people (probably correctly) about my opinion of the IOPD.

If in your rules/regs, you say

" you have to buy a IOPD to cover insurance costs, liability, our asses etc etc"

Fair enough, but its not. Its you have to buy a competition license, I have one of them thanks..


If anyone has an issue with my posts, please use the report function in the top right of each post to alert the other moderators, and they can remove it.

Oh and I have nothing against the concept of the TSS, far from it in fact, i'm all for grass roots motorsport. I just disagree with some of the ways its implemented, hence why I don’t compete.

[stevel]

Good luck to TSS - The time I spent in it in 2008 I REALLY enjoyed myself.
Cheap low hassle motorsport. Made a lot of friends, had a laugh, drove crap at a few events and drove a bit better at some more.
Really friendly atmosphere, learned a lot and was great fun.

Ha ha I dont think you ever drove crap! when are you & Si coming over to have another crack! I am still driving like an old lady but can now manage to beat a few of them pesky GTfours

Steve

[Quigonjay]

i love the tss discussions