Another misfire thread!

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Neil Turbo
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Another misfire thread!

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Hi guys. Not been on the forum for quite a long time, but I returned to the classic MR2 fold by purchasing a mk1b this weekend just gone. She's got 85k on the clock, and apart from this misfire that's suddenly (and worryingly) developed, she's a peach.

Basically, after having driven her for about 50 miles, she starting missing ever so slightly.

After thinking it would in all likelihood be an ignition problem, I changed the spark plugs last night. This only served to make the problem worse. She's now firing on just two cylinders. Removal of the freshly fitted spark plugs revealed that it was cylinders 2 and 3 (i.e. the centre two) weren't firing and were nicely coated in fuel.

Tonight, I've fitted a new set of HT leads - no different. Then it occurred to me that in my haste, I may have got the leads to 2 and 3 the wrong way round. Swapping them, and double checking the firing order, the problem is still present.

The distributor cap looks pretty new, I've removed it and the contact points look fine, as does the rotor arm. The leads I removed were of the blue magnecor variety, which leads me to believe that the car may have had ignition issues in the past.

I'm just really baffled by the fact that when the only things i've disturbed were the leads and plugs, the problem worsened, and the misfire went from being sporadic, to permanent.

Although there's no evidence of headgasket failure (no overheating, no mayonnaise etc), I can't rule this out. I've yet to get a compression tester on the engine, but I can't really think that this is the problem as it doesn't really explain the sudden change when all I've disturbed is the leads and plugs.

Hoping you guys can help me out on this one!

Neil
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Re: Another misfire thread!

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Given that your misfire came on before you touched anything at all then it can't be leads or plugs on two cylinders.

My bet is the HG has gone between cylinders 2 and 3, a compression test will show a "shared" compression between the two. Either way you need to eliminate this even if it is an ignition fault of some sort, but i can't think of anything that would cause 2 and 3 to go down on their own at the same time.

Compression test all four and take it from there mate :thumleft:
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Check and clean the electrical plug on the dizzy, as well as the wiring & earths on the coil and ignitor.
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Would that cause just 2 and 3 to go down though mart?
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Re: Another misfire thread!

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Thanks for the replys guys.

It just didn't really cross my mind that it would be the HG as there's no other symptoms of HG failure, no smoke at all, no overheating etc.

It's just really weird that before I touched the plugs and leads, it was an intermittant misfire that felt like it was just one cylinder rather than 2 - after merely changing the plugs it developed into a permanent misfire on cylinders 2 and 3.
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welcome back Neil :thumleft:
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Update time! Performed a compression test tonight with the following results...

Engine cold, throttle shut, EFI fuse unplugged...

C1 - 170 psi
C2 - 170 psi
C3 - 175 psi
C4 - 168 psi

To my knowledge, those figures are all pretty reasonable for an engine with 85k on it, and within tolerances, no massive differences across the board - and the problematic cylinders are recording different values (i.e. not shared).

Would it be safe-ish to eliminate the headgasket as a cause of the misfire given there's no other evidence of HG failure?

In addition, I've tried the old spark plugs tonight, and leads also - with no difference. Really scratching my head on this one now! It appears to have compression, spark, fuel, and obviously air, so why it's not firing on the two cylinders is baffling me now.

welcome back Neil


Thank you my underscored namesake! I see you've got a silvertop mk1, very nice! Do you still keep in touch with Mr Clarkson?
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Have you checked that you're getting a spark on the problem cylinders i.e. take the plugs out and lie them on top of the engine so they are earthed, connect the plug leads, and turn the engine over - you should be able to see them sparking
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Not yet no Mart, didn't have a willing assitant to crank the engine with the EFI fuse unplugged whilst I attended to the spark plug and lead....

Although it's just occurred to me that I could have left the EFI fuse in and put a spare spark plug in to stop the petrol blowing back from the cylinder :oops:

It's amazing how logic can sometimes escape you when you've had a hard day at work lol
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Definately not sharing compression on the middle two cylinders with those readings, your HG is fine.

I've never come across a 4age dropping two cylinders like that, sounds almost ECU related. If you want a coilpack/amplifier and another ECU for free to chuck on as a test let me have the ECU part number and your address, i will send them to you.... if they make no difference just keep them.
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Re: Another misfire thread!

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That's very kind of you Paul, I'll do a bit more digging to see if I can eliminate all other possibilities but I may well take you up on that offer. Cheers fella! :thumleft:
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