Alternator Belt woes

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Alternator Belt woes

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My alternator belt snapped yesterday, and the car was making one hell of a rattly sound as a result. Put a new one on today, got it done up nice and tight but car is still sounding really rattly.

When the belt was off I noticed something and it seems wrong to me. The bottom pulley that the belt loops over, (there are two down there and belt goes on the one nearest engine block, you know the one) this pulley was loose and wobbling around from side to side with no belt on, which I figure must be the cause of the noise.

Is it broken?

I've got to leave early in the morning and do a 120 mile round trip, which includes making a boat at 10.15am :(
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It sounds like its become un rivited if you need on give me a shout before I get rid of this engine in bits ha used to work in poole near you
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yes classic delaminated pulley, slipping belt has caused heat build up and burned the rubber in the pulley, you need to check both water pump and alternator as either one or the other is probably the cause of the slipping belt. then get a replacement bottom pulley
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cabbydave1 wrote:It sounds like its become un rivited if you need on give me a shout before I get rid of this engine in bits ha used to work in poole near you


yup, I'll pm you :)
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kevin..in wrote:yes classic delaminated pulley, slipping belt has caused heat build up and burned the rubber in the pulley, you need to check both water pump and alternator as either one or the other is probably the cause of the slipping belt. then get a replacement bottom pulley


when I looked to see what was up the belt hadn't completely snapped but half of it was missing, it was overdue to be changed it was all chipped and all sorts.

What a pita, if it isn't my oil filter shooting off down dual carriageway it's something else :(
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russthedude wrote:
kevin..in wrote:yes classic delaminated pulley, slipping belt has caused heat build up and burned the rubber in the pulley, you need to check both water pump and alternator as either one or the other is probably the cause of the slipping belt. then get a replacement bottom pulley


when I looked to see what was up the belt hadn't completely snapped but half of it was missing, it was overdue to be changed it was all chipped and all sorts.

What a pita, if it isn't my oil filter shooting off down dual carriageway it's something else :(

bet its been squealing a bit on start up, always a sign that somethings amiss
you need to have a feel of the alternator and water pump either one of them is almost certainly the culprit (bearings on the way out)
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no it hasn't been squeeling on start up, I just noticed an unusual rattle on my way home from work last week and when I stuck my head in to look I noticed the belt was a lot thinner than it used to be :D

The alternator and water pump can both be turned by hand very easily so no problems there.

The belt wasn't in great condition anyway, but where hot oil got splattered all over the engine bay over easter weekend (oil filter shot off at about 6-7000 rpm) probably has something to do with the decline of the belt or pulley lamination.

Looking at the BGB it looks like one nut holds the pulley on, now it can't be as simple as undoing that one nut, can it? whats the surprise Toyota have got waiting for me when the pulley turns up?

Thanks for the help guys.
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Yep one bolt But its a dosy ](*,)

You WILL need a breaker bar

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oukie wrote:Yep one bolt But its a dosy ](*,)

You WILL need a breaker bar

Chris.


ok thanks, whats the best angle to attack it from? above or below?

Also, stupid question probably but I'll ask anyway. Can it only go on in the one position? I mean in terms of lining up the timing mark so its in the right spot.
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Yeah the pulley is keyed.

Best way to get at the pulley is to pop the back wheel off then you should be able to just get to the bolt from within thw wheel well, just under the chassis rail. If you're lucky you'll be able to get away with whacking the handbrake on tight and sticking it in gear to stop the engine turning over whilst you undo the bolt. Next option would be to have an assistant pressing hard on the footbrake. Last resort is undoing the flywheel cover on the underside of the engine/gearbox and wedging a big screwdriver into the teeth of the flywheel.

Once you've got the bolt undone your next problem is getting the pulley off. You've got one advantage over most people in that yours is already knackered (most people doing this for the first time will try and pry it off but being a cast piece the lip on the edge of the pulley will chip very easily doing this.) The correct approach is to use a puller of some kind, if you dont have one then you can fashion your own tool to do the job. Basically you want a short length of quite sturdy metal which you can drill and bolt to the pulley via the two holes in the centre of it. If you then place a suitable sized socket between your tool and the end of the crank then the action of tightening the bolts will pull the pulley off the crank.
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thats excellents thanks. now, once it is off and I'm still in the mood to carry on, can it only go on in one position? is there anything I'll need to do to get it on, bash it with a lump hammer etc?

I might go out now and have a go at popping it off.
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russthedude wrote:thats excellents thanks. now, once it is off and I'm still in the mood to carry on, can it only go on in one position? is there anything I'll need to do to get it on, bash it with a lump hammer etc?

I might go out now and have a go at popping it off.


No Bashing these pulley are fragile hit it and you'll knock chunks out of it
it fits onto the end of the crank which it tapered and has a keyway (woodruff key) so just slots into position and bolt tightens it into place
have you managed to find a good replacement?
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Re: Alternator Belt woes

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Sorry for the thread-jack, but should I be looking for similar things on my Mk2 Rev 2 Tubby? Had a similar situation, but my belt was squealing lots, then (under a bit of hard-ish acceleration), the squealing was gone, only to be replaced by a cloud of smoke in the cockpit. I've looked in the engine bay, anbd the belt has gone, but is the mk2 prone to the same sticking pulleys etc?
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