Warm MR2 turbo - effortlessly fast but ......boring?

[Lauren]

Whats the problem again?

Have none of you guys ever got the back end out on the road? I know I have..

Unfortunately for them they are not able to do it safely, so ergo anyone who does is obviously driving dangerously. I suppose this must hold true for a lot of car magazines and motoring shows too.

[Lauren]

Driving a car within the speed limit but exceeding its grip is probably not illegal, but does that still make it safe and right?

You'd have to witness it to know that really wouldn't you?

[sw20GTS]

Whoa, just read through 5 pages of this thread. What a dramatic change of tone from the MR2 to the law

Anyway, take it from a person who's been there. There is no excuse to muck around on public roads. You drive like an ar$e you risk injury to yourself or worse to others.

You want to test the limits of the car or yourself, do it on a track or maybe some deserted private back road or estate etc.

I enjoy driving my MR2 within the legal limits and do not attempt any stunts like drifting around roundabouts. I get my thrills from accelerating to 70 mph from rest in sub 5 seconds (on the motorway of course), dropping a gear and feel the power while overtaking a HGV, romps around Scottish highlands and country roads and of course the occasional track days.

Everyone will think, yeah its alright I can handle it etc etc. Thats what I thought 6 years ago before I was nicked. Won't go into details but its not worth it.

You don't have to drive like an ar$e to enjoy your MR2

Although I do agree to a certain point that Britain has become some sort of a nanny state in regards to road safety... 15-20 mph speed limits...sheesh I was overtaken by a bicycle for pete's sake!

[greeny]

no, but it seems I do
how do YOU know where the risk is? what is around the corner?
do you have built in radar?

I give up!

I don't need built in rader, it's called looking ahead.

Yeah your observation skills and looking ahead must be top notch seeing as you've had 25 points for speeding

I always drive to the speed limit

[Ekona]

I enjoy driving my MR2 within the legal limits... I get my thrills from accelerating to 70 mph from rest in sub 5 seconds (on the motorway of course)

Which, ironically, could well see your car confiscated via a couple of S.59s


It's all about interpretation when it comes to things as we're discussing here. Some BiBs may give you a gentle rollicking if caught, some may have you up on a dangerous driving charge. Thing is, everyone knows the risks, and as long as you do play within the limits of yourself, your car and have a great awareness of what's around you (as I believe Lauren does looking over her posts), then the only person you're really going to hurt is yourself. If you're prepared to accept that responsibility, then each to their own I say.

[sw20GTS]

I enjoy driving my MR2 within the legal limits... I get my thrills from accelerating to 70 mph from rest in sub 5 seconds (on the motorway of course)

Which, ironically, could well see your car confiscated via a couple of S.59s


It's all about interpretation when it comes to things as we're discussing here. Some BiBs may give you a gentle rollicking if caught, some may have you up on a dangerous driving charge. Thing is, everyone knows the risks, and as long as you do play within the limits of yourself, your car and have a great awareness of what's around you (as I believe Lauren does looking over her posts), then the only person you're really going to hurt is yourself. If you're prepared to accept that responsibility, then each to their own I say.

Hmmm, AFAIK the cops can't nick you for accelerating fast (on a motorway not up a street) as long as you stuck to the speed limit. Unless its on of those average cameras?

It's utter nonsense if you get arrested even for accelerating.... but I guess you are right, everything's open to interpretation.

Some people drive to show off and to race others and some drive to enjoy the car.

[GeoffC320]

no, but it seems I do
how do YOU know where the risk is? what is around the corner?
do you have built in radar?

I give up!

I don't need built in rader, it's called looking ahead.

Yeah your observation skills and looking ahead must be top notch seeing as you've had 25 points for speeding

"DING"

[Ekona]

Hmmm, AFAIK the cops can't nick you for accelerating fast (on a motorway not up a street) as long as you stuck to the speed limit. Unless its on of those average cameras?

Read up on S.59, it's the scariest piece of law passed for years. Basically though, any policeman can give you a ticket based on S.59 if they consider you to be using your car in a way that could scare others: Having a loud exhaust will do it, as will a loud stereo and certainly accelerating briskly. On top of this, if they give you another one then they can take your car off you and have it crushed. No jury, no court case, all based on the personal opinion of one officer.


There's more to it of course, but that's the basics. Scary, isn't it?

[sw20GTS]

Hmmm, AFAIK the cops can't nick you for accelerating fast (on a motorway not up a street) as long as you stuck to the speed limit. Unless its on of those average cameras?

Read up on S.59, it's the scariest piece of law passed for years. Basically though, any policeman can give you a ticket based on S.59 if they consider you to be using your car in a way that could scare others: Having a loud exhaust will do it, as will a loud stereo and certainly accelerating briskly. On top of this, if they give you another one then they can take your car off you and have it crushed. No jury, no court case, all based on the personal opinion of one officer.


There's more to it of course, but that's the basics. Scary, isn't it?

Very scary indeed... Nanny state to be honest

I have these so I reckon I'm very at risk then They are well loud.

[GeoffC320]

Hmmm, AFAIK the cops can't nick you for accelerating fast (on a motorway not up a street) as long as you stuck to the speed limit. Unless its on of those average cameras?

Read up on S.59, it's the scariest piece of law passed for years. Basically though, any policeman can give you a ticket based on S.59 if they consider you to be using your car in a way that could scare others: Having a loud exhaust will do it, as will a loud stereo and certainly accelerating briskly. On top of this, if they give you another one then they can take your car off you and have it crushed. No jury, no court case, all based on the personal opinion of one officer.


There's more to it of course, but that's the basics. Scary, isn't it?

Can't see that lasting long...about as long as it takes to say "European Court of Human Rights" in fact....

[Ekona]

You'd need very deep pockets, and unless you're a millionaire and/or have a very expensive car (probably go hand in hand), then you've got no chance.

[GeoffC320]

You'd need very deep pockets, and unless you're a millionaire and/or have a very expensive car (probably go hand in hand), then you've got no chance.

By the sound of it that sets a very dangerous precedent and I really can't imagine it'd be too long before someone instigates a test case. I'm sure some footballer would fall foul of it before long and then we can sit back and watch the fun.

Just sounds FAR too open to abuse to go unchallenged for long.

[sw20GTS]

You'd need very deep pockets, and unless you're a millionaire and/or have a very expensive car (probably go hand in hand), then you've got no chance.

By the sound of it that sets a very dangerous precedent and I really can't imagine it'd be too long before someone instigates a test case. I'm sure some footballer would fall foul of it before long and then we can sit back and watch the fun.

Just sounds FAR too open to abuse to go unchallenged for long.

How do you know they haven't already?

[raptor95GTS]

Sliding a car around is not a difficult thing to do.

on the road it's illegal. Lauren, you are full of xxxx with your attitude of it's all right as it's not necessarily illegal exceeding the limit of grip on the road and drifting round a roundabout isn't obviously illegal like speeding so it's ok as well. bull$h1t, utter bull$h1t. If it's not neceesarily illegal then it's clearly not necessarily legal either and if drifting round a roundabout isn't obviously illegal like speeding then it's clearly not obviously legal either so stop fart arsing around with the English language and accept you're xxxxxx wrong

It seems to be alright for EVO magazine and top gear and fifth gear to do both published for public consumption and on TV.

If it isn't obviously illegal your point is?

It isn't obviously legal then is it and you are breaking forum rules by posting such activities. However I can imagine because you've been around since the year dot you'll be allowed to get away with it as no one wants to upset the establishment esp since you are one of the best drivers in the world with ultimate car control. Which is why you crashed into a lamp post - not enough radar range there eh?

Just because a magazine does it does it make it ok? No it doesn't and to use that as an arguement is just pathetic and shows you know you're in the wrong. Tell you what, why not exceed the limits of grip while the cops are around, why not drift round a roundabout while they are watching. The very fact you have posted saying you don't do this when they're around means you know you will get busted for it. So that's really the end of your arguement.

[Marf]

at this thread.

What a load of overblown pompous holier than thou bullcrap.

If anyone here who drives an MR2 hasnt exceeded the speed limit, or had a little bit of tail out action, then I'd either suggest they are lying or are scared of their car.

I despair, I really do

[RobCrezz]

Whats the problem again?

Have none of you guys ever got the back end out on the road? I know I have..

quote from the sticky at the top of this section

Please note that IMOC Admin would ask you not to post any details of reckless driving, or any illegal activities - including (but not limited to) speeding. If you do post something which breaks these rules then we may moderate you, or may have to release your details to any law enforcement agency which requests them.

and added to by

Just to bump this, because it's very important you understand why we can't have discussion of illegal speeds etc etc on IMOC.

You may think we are just being pedantic, but this is a public forum, and as such open to anybody and everybody who might be interested in what you are up to in your car - track day organisers, your insurance company, the police etc etc.

We don't want to get put in the situation where somebody is asking us for member information because of posts made in here, so just don't do it. It's really not very hard.

Speeding driver caught via youtube :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7254599.stm

So the police are going to arrest me for saying I have had power oversteer on the public roads, on a internet forum. oooook.

[Marf]

Naughty Rob, thats a bad Rob!

[RobCrezz]

at this thread.

What a load of overblown pompous holier than thou bullcrap.

If anyone here who drives an MR2 hasnt exceeded the speed limit, or had a little bit of tail out action, then I'd either suggest they are lying or are scared of their car.

I despair, I really do

I agree!

I dont think I drive in an unsafe manner, but come on!

[matt_mr2t]

at this thread.

What a load of overblown pompous holier than thou bullcrap.

If anyone here who drives an MR2 hasnt exceeded the speed limit, or had a little bit of tail out action, then I'd either suggest they are lying or are scared of their car.

I despair, I really do

I agree!

I dont think I drive in an unsafe manner, but come on!

You've missed the point chaps. People get told off for saying they have broken the speed limit as it's against forum rules. But Lauren, the very person telling people off quite happily tells regularly how she treats public roads like a race track. You cant have 1 rule for one and another for another. If you cant say you broke the speed limit, you shouldnt be able to say you got your car sideways either.

Of course every member has overcooked it on the road, we're all car enthusiasts who own (or have owned) sports cars that get driven as such.

[Marf]

I don;t think I missed the point

afterall I did say "What a load of overblown pompous holier than thou bullcrap. "

Not that I am inferring Lauren is acting in a holier than thou attitude of course ossifer