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andrew p
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Mr2 powered GTM Coupe

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Hi there everyone newish to this site,

I live in Buckinghamshire, work in motorsport, am 32,have destroyed one Mr2 turbo :oops: ,drive a weired car and have been told I'm slightly unhindged :lol:

This is the car.
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It is a GTM Coupe "BUT" its powered by a Mr2 turbo.
When I purchased the compleate rear end I was told it was 310 bhp "BUT" I'm sure its more like 270ish bhp I'm sure you lot will be able to tell me if my suspicions are true :D

On the spec that the seller wrote down for me, it seems to have some odd decriptions to parts fitted 8-[

The car weighs 687 kg's so either way it has quite a nice power to weight ratio :mrgreen:



The spec of the engine is suppose to be?...........

3sgte rev2

Group 'A' cranksharft & con rods

ARP bolts & "bearings"?

Superchips reprogramable Ecu (looks like a small matchbox piggy back unit??)

NGKplainum plugs

Adjustble boost control valve (but I can't see it anywhere?)

HKS272 camsharfts

JEforged pistons

Magnecor competition leads

ST205 Charge cooler with small ice tank

BK performance air filter

TRD steel head gasket

Fidanza lightened flywheel

Fensport stage 1 CT26 turbo with uprated actuator

CAT removed straight through exhaust

Nitrous oxide kit with 50hp jets

5 speed box with LSD

uprated clutch (to what spec ????)

15" 195 45 A539's

It has not been on the strip or back on the road yet so no times or handling issues have been sorted yet :roll:

I'll be back on some private land in the next few weeks :mrgreen:

Coments welcome good or bad, go easy on me as I'm new to this Mr2 stuff. I know a bit about them (what I've read in the usual magazines but haven't found to many Mr2 Turbo Owners that willing to talk engine spec's but I'm sure I'm in the right place now :D
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Re: Mr2 powered GTM Coupe

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Nice project. I've often wondered why more people don't use MR2 turbo engines in builds like this.

I think the seller is relying on the 50 shot of nitrous for their peak figure though. You'll need standalone engine management to reach anything like 300bhp and the superchip does little more than remove fuel cut so you can run more boost.
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Re: Mr2 powered GTM Coupe

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andrew p wrote:Hi there everyone newish to this site,

I live in Buckinghamshire, work in motorsport, am 32,have destroyed one Mr2 turbo :oops: ,drive a weired car and have been told I'm slightly unhindged :lol:

This is the car.
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It is a GTM Coupe "BUT" its powered by a Mr2 turbo.
When I purchased the compleate rear end I was told it was 310 bhp "BUT" I'm sure its more like 270ish bhp I'm sure you lot will be able to tell me if my suspicions are true :D

On the spec that the seller wrote down for me, it seems to have some odd decriptions to parts fitted 8-[

The car weighs 687 kg's so either way it has quite a nice power to weight ratio :mrgreen:



The spec of the engine is suppose to be?...........

3sgte rev2

Group 'A' cranksharft & con rods

ARP bolts & "bearings"?

Superchips reprogramable Ecu (looks like a small matchbox piggy back unit??)

NGKplainum plugs

Adjustble boost control valve (but I can't see it anywhere?)

HKS272 camsharfts

JEforged pistons

Magnecor competition leads

ST205 Charge cooler with small ice tank

BK performance air filter

TRD steel head gasket

Fidanza lightened flywheel

Fensport stage 1 CT26 turbo with uprated actuator

CAT removed straight through exhaust

Nitrous oxide kit with 50hp jets

5 speed box with LSD

uprated clutch (to what spec ????)

15" 195 45 A539's

It has not been on the strip or back on the road yet so no times or handling issues have been sorted yet :roll:

I'll be back on some private land in the next few weeks :mrgreen:

Coments welcome good or bad, go easy on me as I'm new to this Mr2 stuff. I know a bit about them (what I've read in the usual magazines but haven't found to many Mr2 Turbo Owners that willing to talk engine spec's but I'm sure I'm in the right place now :D



Definetly in the right place it would appear from the specs you have posted above that the previous owner has forged the engine. sorry for the war and peace reply and if i end up teaching you to suck eggs.


3sgte Rev2 engine is a good place to start due to it having thicker/stronger walls than the other revisions of 3sgte.

Group A Crankshaft and conrods It is Possible he has had it lightened and balanced and forged conrods. Seems silly to keep the stock rods when fitting forged pistons.

ARP bolts are the dogs danglies when it comes to engine building I dont know if they make bearings though its possible he means ACL bearings which are very good.

Superchips programmable Ecu if you say it is a small slightly larger than a matchbox affair sounds like the ICON model. The ICON is designed as an ignition only chip. Basically it is able to advance (or retard) the ignition timing so improve efficiency. It works by fooling the cars original ECU into thinking the crank is in a slightly different position to where it actually is so tricking the ECU into an advance in ignition. In an engine with a poor original ECU/ignition timing this method can show some improvements and the extra retardation for your Nos will be beneficial.

NGK Plainium plugs dont know whether that s just a typo from you. NGK Platinum plugs need changing less often but with your nos and other mods i would still change them find out what grade they are as you could probably do with going a grade cooler with the Nos.

Adjustable boost controller may just be a grainger valve fitted between the actuator and the inlet manifold in the vacuum piping. look at the actuator on the turbo and follow the pipe back you may find one ther or you may find an electronic solenoid if it is the latter follow that to some form of electronic boost controller box will be about 1/4 DIN size. What boost are you running with your stage one ct26 should be a max of 1bar.

HKS 272 camshafts are a good upgrade over stock retaining drivability but improving the top end. do you know if you have vernier pulleys fitted?

JE forged pistons are a popular choice amongst the MR2 turbo people having forged engines built. with supporting mods you can run alot higher boost

Magnecors What colour are they if they are the RED KV85s great for racing applications just dont remove them when they are warm as they have a habbit of breaking but if you have the original invoice/receipt from the previous owner for them Magnecor will replace them for free for life.

205cc I dont know much about but you say it has a small ice tank Does it have a rad at the front of the car but on cars i have driven with them fitted because of the shorter more direct charge route and the cooler charge temps achieved throttle response is snappier and boost comes on quicker.

TRD steel head gasket on the Rev2 3sgtes the Headgasket is one of the weakpoints over the rev3+ which have Multilayer steel headgaskets as stock. good upgreade for reliability/increased boost do you know what thickness gasket was fitted as they come in various thicknesses.

Fidanza flywheels are a common upgrade for the Mr2 turbo owners and are very good freeing up some parasitic HP losses. Fidanza state a reduction of the flywheel weight up to 55 percent of the original, and reducing the flywheel inertia up to 80 percent of the original. fuel economy suffers though through the lost inertia but tacho snapping is fun.

stage 1 fensport CT26 fensport state Ideal for cars running up to 1Bar boost, full boost available from 2,800 rpm, power up to 270bhp.
It does depend on what the previous owner selected for his actuator though as there is a choice of pressures.

Cat removed the majority of Rev2 engines were fitted to MR2s up till August 1993 "K" reg so you dont need a cat for the emissions test. The previous owner may have just gutted the original cat or fitted an aftermarket decat downpipe. You can pick up decat downpipes from lots of different places but there are a few out there which are prone to cracking due to poor design/welds etc. The GTS chris/BERK decat downpipes are highly regarded as they have a flexi section and this appears to have solved the cracking problem.

Nitrous speak to i think its either Michael or Scott Barton they are both mods/commitee members one of them i cant remember which have nitrous fitted to a 3sgte's.

5 speed box with LSD from memory The E153 box code should be followed by a three digit axle code. 735 and 738 refer to LSD-equipped E153's

uprated clutch without paperwork your guess is a as good as ours is it snatchy/grabby at all?

15" A539s Very good tyres.

What are your plans for the car are you going to put it back to the road or is this going to be a track weapon?

Id love to come and have a look at it as i had a GTM coupe with a 1340 mini engine and that was more than enough fun that just sounds suicidal. :twisted:
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Re: Mr2 powered GTM Coupe

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Thanks for you post Tiny thats exactly what I was after :D as I said I know very little about these engines.

I'll have to get back to you on some of your questions as I'm on late shift this week :roll:

As for meeting a fellow Gtm owner I didn't expect that on here 8)
As for comming to have a look your more than welcome anytime :D

This is a early picture of the engine being pre fitted to check for clearence on the rear frame.

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Re: Mr2 powered GTM Coupe

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ex gtm owner Small fun mid engine a mr2 is a natural progression from a gtm for reliability and everyday use :thumleft:

from that picture it appears they have kept the REV2 electronics AFM towards the rear of the pic on the left.

The magnecors Appear to be E-80s

I would love a libra with a 3sgte in it.

based on 270hp which is respectable plus the cars weight - driver your looking at a power to weight of 403hp per ton with 0-60 sub 3.5 seconds. If you can keep the power down. That is special!

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this looks interesting :D
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welcome to the forum 8)
nice little motor, what a beast :thumleft:
keep us updated on the project :D
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welcome to the site, interesting car, must be pretty quick :pale:
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Re: Mr2 powered GTM Coupe

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A change of undies would prob be my 1st mod :whistle:

Sounds like a right laugh tho :thumleft:

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I promise I will get back on here as soon as I get a minute :pray:

Work is stopping me getting back on here for a propper session :evil: , and I have got to take the White COX GTM in the picture above to the Silverstone Classic as well this weekend.

I noticed that the Mr2 owners club will be there aswell, If anyone is a member of that club and wants to have a chat, I'd love to learn something, anything about these engines :pray:

Tiny I'll pm you for a chat :D
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Hello mate welcome again. That's a v interesting car you have. I look forward to hearing how it all comes together.

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Nice to see something different for a change!
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could this be eligible for 10 of the best Scott?
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Tiny wrote:could this be eligible for 10 of the best Scott?


I think so. :-k As long as it meets the db levels i suppose.
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Re: Mr2 powered GTM Coupe

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just been sooooooooooooo F-in busy with work sorry everyone :roll:

I managed to get to a test and tune at the pod the other week for the coupes first outing, I broke it of course :roll: :lol: :lol:
I just thought that some of you would like to see/know the latest
Here are a few snaps from the first days testing only four runs were possible until I broke it :roll: :lol: :lol:
Nothing to do with the running up the strip, and should be a case of just remove and replace :mrgreen:

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run 1... 18.03
run 2... 17.29
run 3... 15.20
run 4... 13.48


Run 4 went like this....

2.34 >...> 60ft
5.85 >...> 330ft
8.77 >...> 1/8ET
84mph >...> 1/8
11.22 >...> 1000ft
13.48 >...> 1/4
103mph >...> 1/4

Not bad for first time out, having only driven up and down the drive at 10mph, and theres plenty more to come, as it wasn't a full bore run :mrgreen: no nitrous either :roll:





Definetly in the right place it would appear from the specs you have posted above that the previous owner has forged the engine. sorry for the war and peace reply and if i end up teaching you to suck eggs.


Pleae treat me as stupid, as I find it covers all bases when asking questions, give me obvious answers and I shouldn't get confused :lol: :clap:


3sgte Rev2 engine is a good place to start due to it having thicker/stronger walls than the other revisions of 3sgte.


I had read that somewhere so thats a good start




Group A Crankshaft and conrods It is Possible he has had it lightened and balanced and forged conrods. Seems silly to keep the stock rods when fitting forged pistons.



I don't recall asking about the con rods ](*,)



ARP bolts are the dogs danglies when it comes to engine building I dont know if they make bearings though its possible he means ACL bearings which are very good.



I didn't think they did bearing I thought I'd post just to put myself straight either way :lol:



Superchips programmable Ecu if you say it is a small slightly larger than a matchbox affair sounds like the ICON model. The ICON is designed as an ignition only chip. Basically it is able to advance (or retard) the ignition timing so improve efficiency. It works by fooling the cars original ECU into thinking the crank is in a slightly different position to where it actually is so tricking the ECU into an advance in ignition. In an engine with a poor original ECU/ignition timing this method can show some improvements and the extra retardation for your Nos will be beneficial.


I have had a look at this and it has 2 LED's on it 1 red and 1 green. It also has under the superchips logo the letters ABC in reflective blue, does this help with identification of this box?.




NGK Plainium plugs dont know whether that s just a typo from you. NGK Platinum plugs need changing less often but with your nos and other mods i would still change them find out what grade they are as you could probably do with going a grade cooler with the Nos.



I will change these for a colder set when I get to that stage, but I have a long way to go before I do :roll:



Adjustable boost controller may just be a grainger valve fitted between the actuator and the inlet manifold in the vacuum piping. look at the actuator on the turbo and follow the pipe back you may find one ther or you may find an electronic solenoid if it is the latter follow that to some form of electronic boost controller box will be about 1/4 DIN size. What boost are you running with your stage one ct26 should be a max of 1bar.



I did get a squint at the boost level during a test and tune day and it read just, just over 1bar so maybe it needs backing off a bit. I have had a good look and maybe I'm stupid but I can't see anything ](*,)




HKS 272 camshafts are a good upgrade over stock retaining drivability but improving the top end. do you know if you have vernier pulleys fitted?



I have no vernier pulleys ](*,) but I intend when I'm ready for the engine build to purchase a set :mrgreen:




JE forged pistons are a popular choice amongst the MR2 turbo people having forged engines built. with supporting mods you can run alot higher boost



I've used JE pistons before with pleanty of boost/nitrous with no problems :mrgreen:



205cc I dont know much about but you say it has a small ice tank Does it have a rad at the front of the car but on cars i have driven with them fitted because of the shorter more direct charge route and the cooler charge temps achieved throttle response is snappier and boost comes on quicker.



I fitted the ice tank as a quick fix as I havn't sorted the front end layout permently also I don't have a cooler rad ](*,)



TRD steel head gasket on the Rev2 3sgtes the Headgasket is one of the weakpoints over the rev3+ which have Multilayer steel headgaskets as stock. good upgreade for reliability/increased boost do you know what thickness gasket was fitted as they come in various thicknesses.



I have no info on this item (I thought it might be a thicker one for allowing more boost by lowering the compression ratio)



Fidanza flywheels are a common upgrade for the Mr2 turbo owners and are very good freeing up some parasitic HP losses. Fidanza state a reduction of the flywheel weight up to 55 percent of the original, and reducing the flywheel inertia up to 80 percent of the original. fuel economy suffers though through the lost inertia but tacho snapping is fun.



another good thing (as per my past life with A series)



stage 1 fensport CT26 fensport state Ideal for cars running up to 1Bar boost, full boost available from 2,800 rpm, power up to 270bhp.
It does depend on what the previous owner selected for his actuator though as there is a choice of pressures.



I might have to research this in depth as I want more power when I do the engine build but I don't want lots of nasty lag (the eternal quest as we all know)



Cat removed the majority of Rev2 engines were fitted to MR2s up till August 1993 "K" reg so you dont need a cat for the emissions test. The previous owner may have just gutted the original cat or fitted an aftermarket decat downpipe. You can pick up decat downpipes from lots of different places but there are a few out there which are prone to cracking due to poor design/welds etc. The GTS chris/BERK decat downpipes are highly regarded as they have a flexi section and this appears to have solved the cracking problem.



Just at the drag track stage at the mo so at the 90 degrees bend it just goes straight out the rear of the car



Nitrous speak to i think its either Michael or Scott Barton they are both mods/commitee members one of them i cant remember which have nitrous fitted to a 3sgte's.



All knowledge I welcome as I'm sure the nitrous rules cross over but jet size and progressive rates help to keep your engine safe ( I just blew the sh*t out of my A series when the rules were pushed just that bit past what we all agreed was safe ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) )



5 speed box with LSD from memory The E153 box code should be followed by a three digit axle code. 735 and 738 refer to LSD-equipped E153's


Where is this code on the box (I haven't looked yet but I just broke it a the pod, I can't seem to select reverse???)




uprated clutch without paperwork your guess is a as good as ours is it snatchy/grabby at all?



Its very very snatchy but the master cylinder is just a bit bigger than a standard Mr2 item .



15" A539s Very good tyres.


Oldie but goodies :mrgreen:



What are your plans for the car are you going to put it back to the road or is this going to be a track weapon?


Its going back on the road eventually but I'm trying to compete against a fellow GTM'er( the rival is the red coupe in the pictures above,) . we both work in F1 for rival teams and I chased him for a while on the strip he had fitted a Honda [-X =; [-( when we were competing with A sreies, he had the 1.6 I had a 1293 turbo and we were evenly matched but he had the edge just. then he fitted the B series V=tec [-X [-X =; =; [-( [-( no thats just plane taking the pi**. so brain stoming ensued and what better way to beat your oponent at their own game than to go bigger and better :mrgreen: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:




Id love to come and have a look at it 8) 8) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 8) 8) as i had a GTM coupe with a 1340 mini engine and that was more than enough fun 8) 8) 8) 8) that just sounds suicidal. :lol: :lol: :lol: :evil: :evil: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hi just seen your GTM,the post is probably so old you have sold the car,if not i would love to no what spec the car now is,i have been rallying a vtec powerd gtm coupe for 3 years now,and have won 2 back to back overall tarmac championships,so not all bad.
Please feel free to get in contact.
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