Rev3 Turbo Crankcase Pressure??

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Chris.L
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Rev3 Turbo Crankcase Pressure??

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I have a rev3 turbo running original engine internals/ct20 turbo/boost

After driving the car hard (but not more than 0.9 bar boost) a lot of oil finds its way back through the PCV breather pipe/catch can anto into the intake system, sometimes i get an odd drip coming back out of the HKS filter.

Is this normal or a sign of far too much crankcase pressure in which case i will get a compression test done???

Also, if the compression is proved ok, can the oil surge be contained by adding a breather filter onto the end of the catch can and blocking off the intake path??
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Re: Rev3 Turbo Crankcase Pressure??

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Yes sounds like to much oil there mate, defo have a issue there somewhere.

Could be turbo not engine.

You can fit a filter on the catch can and this will stop the oil from being chucked back into the intake but you might end up with it all over the engine.

Make sure you clean the inside of all the intake pipework when fitting the filter/breather it help with diagnose your issue.
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Re: Rev3 Turbo Crankcase Pressure??

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I have similar (although by the sounds of it not as bad as you).

Recently I had 2 oil leaks and 1 boost leak repaired. Oil leaks were:
Dizzy o-ring (internal one)
Rocker cover gasket

Boost leak was the o-ring on the recirc valve (the orange one). When it was leaking, I used to collect oil around the mouth of the recirc valve.

With both of those repaired, I now get a little oil on the compressor housing of the turbo. I assume this is getting into the turbo hardpipe via the PCV where it's then getting very hot, and when hot is thin enough to drip out around the edge of the silicon hose on the turbo outlet, which is done up plenty tight enough!

Luke @ Pacific Works has run a compression test on my engine, which came back fine. 11.8-12-12-12 BAR, so one cylinder a little low but within acceptable tolerance. Surely if it were turbo seals or valve stem seals I'd see blue smoke from the exhaust, not oil on the outside of the cold side of the turbo? I think that if I had the recirc disconnected I'd get oil out of it... sounds like the same symptoms to me!
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Re: Rev3 Turbo Crankcase Pressure??

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I went and purchased a pipercross universal breather filter last night and attached it directly onto the stock plastic catch can

It fits nicely and is secured with a hose clip and on the intake between the filter and the turbo i have blocked off where the PCV pipe would re-enter with a blanking plug.

Suprisingly the breather filter does not chuck out any oil, but does release back into the engine bay quite a hot vapour trail of oil.

Ive noticed improved performance. I guess this must be down to reduced intake air temp cause I am not longer reciculating these hot vapours???

For £15 spent i am well happy. I suppose the downside to this is my oil consumption is going to increase by venting the vapour to atmosphere?
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Yeah, that plus you haven't actually fixed the problem... you've just stopped it manifesting itself in the same way :)

The catch can uses the intake to cool the oil vapour, causing it to become oil and air again, rather than just the hot vapour that you're seeing. That's why it appears as oil rather than vapour with the stock PCV system intact.
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Re: Rev3 Turbo Crankcase Pressure??

Post by Alex O »

I am having slightly similar issues at the mo.

My compression test (kit from Halfords) revealed approx 9 BAR pressure for each cylinder.

The engine runs extremely well - is this appropriate compression? It was in the "green" area of the gauge....

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Re: Rev3 Turbo Crankcase Pressure??

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The BGB quotes the following for Compression Pressure on a 3sGTE block

"Compression pressure:
1,128 kPa (11.5 kg f/cm2. 164 psi) or more
Minimum pressure:
883 kPa (9.0 kgf/cm2, 128 psi)
Difference between each cylinder:
98 kPa (1.0 kg f/cm2, 14 psi) or less
(e) If the cylinder compression in one or more cylinders is
low, pour a small amount of engine oil into the cylin–
der through the spark plug hole and repeat steps (a)
through (c) for cylinders with low compression.
• If adding oil helps the compression, chances are
that the piston rings and/or cylinder bore are
worn or damage.
• If pressure stays low, a valve may be sticking or
seating is improper, or there may be leakage past
the gasket."

so at 135 PSI your within the min limit - I suspect like me as your compression is at the lower end you are getting increased crankcase pressure forcing more oil through the crankcase PCV than norm - ultimately this will find its way back around into the intake and through the combustion cycle again - this results in higher oil consumption and increased intake temperature, the way to go is an alloy catch can with a drain feature so you can reuse the oil - as cheap fix you could put a breather filter straight on the stock plastic catch can - for the cost of just £15 for me this has improved both oil consumption and performance and my whole intake path is now free and clean of oil trail and the ait intake temp will be lower. I noticed improved performance immediately.
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Re: Rev3 Turbo Crankcase Pressure??

Post by Alex O »

Cheers for that Chris.

I have done another test with the throttle open (as advised) and the results were 10.8 BAR for all 4.

Much more like it and now not worried....
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