MODs - Clearly a sticky is needed reference MOTs

[BMP1]

I've just read a number of posts that are focussed on the whole cat/non cat/emissions debate with regard to getting turbos through the MOT.

I'm aware that the relevant extract from the MOT regulations manual has been scanned in, but can we do more?

How about obtaining a sample reply from VOSA stating the rules for which years of MR2 Turbos are subject to which checks? Then instead of arguing over the interpretation of a manual, we can just produce a copy of the letter, with relevant telephone contact details, that state the rules from the governing body. No garage can then argue, but if they still have a problem, they can phone up VOSA and quote the letter.

Many thanks

Graeme

[skinthespin]

I have said reply from VOSA, posted it on here a couple of times asking for maybe a sticky, I can post it again if anyone is interested. Wont be untill this evening though.

HTH

[splashnatz]

sounds like a good idea to me. these threads are always coming up. the difficult bit would be keeping it updated if the rules changed or anything though.

[prezjamin]

Sounds like a good idea to me

[Speedy]

Moved to suggestions, but certainly sounds like a good idea to me if somebody wants to post the information up in the general board.

[Tiamat]

One problem *solicitor mode* who will be responsible for if the information is wrong and someone suffers loss from it?

If it is put up then either someone needs to be responsible for ensuring it is updated and / or you need a disclaimer.

Otherwise if someone removes their cat on the basis of the information and then suffers a financial loss because of it they may sue IMOC or the author.

You may also be infringing copyright for the VOSA details.

[Speedy]

One problem *solicitor mode* who will be responsible for if the information is wrong and someone suffers loss from it?

If it is put up then either someone needs to be responsible for ensuring it is updated and / or you need a disclaimer.

Otherwise if someone removes their cat on the basis of the information and then suffers a financial loss because of it they may sue IMOC or the author.

You may also be infringing copyright for the VOSA details.

Yes, it would need a disclaimer, but then like everything else posted on IMOC, you follow it at your own risk.

I can't believe that they would complain about people getting correct information, or trying to educate themselves about the MOT procedure..

[Tiamat]

Yes, it would need a disclaimer, but then like everything else posted on IMOC, you follow it at your own risk.

I can't believe that they would complain about people getting correct information, or trying to educate themselves about the MOT procedure..

Erm, never seen a disclaimer in IMOC for anything (remember pointing this out about 6 months back) - just assuming that people will follow it at their own risk is not enough to protect the club. I have seen and dealt with people going to Court over such things.

[Speedy]

Ok, we're wandering well OT now. The disclaimer is something which Ben is looking into, and hopefully we'll have something sorted.

[Tiamat]

Ok, we're wandering well OT now. The disclaimer is something which Ben is looking into, and hopefully we'll have something sorted.

my concern would be if it wasn't updated and there was a change in the procedure or requirements.

if someone then fails their MOT or ends up out of pocket because of it then the club could be held liable for providing incorrect information.

be better to simply put a sticky up with a link to the appropriate DVLA website pages and let them worry about it.

[Speedy]

Disagree - like everything else on IMOC, it needs to be covered with a disclaimer, provide the link as well.

[Tiamat]

Disagree - like everything else on IMOC, it needs to be covered with a disclaimer, provide the link as well.

Agree about putting a disclaimer on.

Was more making the point that it'll be better to have just a link rather then having a member of the club responsible copying and posting for the update.

[alexwainwright]

Guys, the email I received from VOSA is copied below (with some of my details removed as I was using my work email!)

Obviously, it's impossible to get evidence of the phone conversations I have had with them.

One thing I would suggest, is ringing the garage you are going to use BEFORE going for a test, and ask them how they would treat your car given the specific details. The garage where mine just passed (Yay!) just told me how it all works - selecting the make, model, engine type etc. and if they do it properly, it should go straight to a non-cat test. The previous garage clearly put it in as a 3SGE engine.

I don't know how you want to use this info, all I would say is that this is kinda specific to MY car.....(Earliest email at the bottom, latest at the top)

Thank you for getting back to me.

I have checked the emissions database and the only similar vehicle is a
3S-GE 2.0L not a 3S-GTE. Therefore there is not an exact match in the
database so your vehicle should go through the the non-CAT test using the
default limits.

I hope this helps you but again please come back to me if I can help you
further.

Regards
Christina


----- Forwarded by Christina Kriescher/HQ/VIA on 20/06/2006 09:19 -----

alex.wainwright@****
To: ****@vosa.gov.uk
cc:
20/06/2006 09:15 Subject: Re: MOT Test for Japanese Import







Hi Christina,

Thank you for the reply, that was my understanding of the situation.

I'd be really grateful if you could check my car details for me please:

Model: MR2 GT Turbo
Engine Code: 3S-GTE
VIN Number: SW20 - **********

If there's anything else you need, just drop me an email!

Thank you kindly,

Alex Wainwright






[email protected]
Sent by: To:
************@vosa. alex.wainwright@***********
gov.uk cc:
Subject: Re: MOT Test for
20/06/2006 09:08 Japanese Import







Thank you for your e-mail.

The test station has to check your vehicle details against the emission
limits included in the database. If there is no exact match for your
vehicle in the emissions database then the vehicle should go through a
non-CAT test using the default limits for a 1994 vehicle. The defualt
limits are CO<=3.5% and HC<=1200ppm

If you would like me to check if there is an exact match I would need to
have the model code, engine code and the last 7 digits of the VIN number.

I hope this information will assist you but please contact me again if I
can help you further.

Regards
Christina


alex.wainwright@*********** To:
[email protected]
cc:
19/06/2006 09:22 Subject: MOT Test for
Japanese Import





Dear sir / madam,

I had my vehicle (a Japanese Import 1994 MR2 GT Turbo) MOT'd on saturday,
and was failed on emissions. Previously, the car has been put through a
non-CAT test, due to the fact that there is NO UK equivalent to this
vehicle at this age. During the test on saturday, they insisted on putting
the car through a CAT-test, which the vehicle only just failed on CO
levels.

I believe the car was incorrectly tested - I have a section of the previous
'MOT Inspection Manual' which, in section 6.4, has a flowchart that clearly
states that my car should be put through a non-CAT test. Surely there
cannot have been a retrospective change since then that means the car now
requires a CAT test?? This, in effect, would be like saying a 1930's car
now requires fog lights and seatbelts!

Could you please clarify the situation for my car.

Best regards,

Alex Wainwright

[Speedy]

Ok, thats all good stuff, I've editied the post slightly to remove the last digits from your VIN, and your email address.

Is this ready to go up?

[alexwainwright]

Hi, sorry for the delay, just edited out my email address in a couple of other places too to avoid spam, but yes, I'm perfectly happy to have that info up.