Sprinting regulations for lots of interesting cars

[AdamP]

I thought you were turboing though? That will put you in sports libre which will let you use any tyres you like provided they are road legal (or you will need to get a Nat A license and log book).

No it wont and no it isn't.

Sports libre is for slicks and log booked cars.

Turboing is fine, you can stay in road going just apply the relevent turbo conversion in which case you will end up with anything of 2L normally.

Yes it will. Read the regs.

EDIT: There was a supercharged MR2. DOH. Hence it would have been eligible for the over 2l class originally and you well be allowed to stay in roadgoing. My mistake.

However sports libre isn't necessarily for slicks and wings (although the regs encourage it), it is a sort of 'catch all' class. You can run a road legal car in sports libre with no logbook. If your car is bumped out of the capacity class that the model was originally eligible for then it is no longer eligible for road going or modified production, and will have to run in Sports Libre.

[elbon50]

Turboing is fine, you can stay in road going just apply the relevent turbo conversion in which case you will end up with anything of 2L normally.

Multiplying by 1.4 would take my 1587 cc N/A engine up to 2222 eqivalent

Although only a little over 2L is it likely that I would be eligible for up to 2L roadgoing class

[AdamP]

Turboing is fine, you can stay in road going just apply the relevent turbo conversion in which case you will end up with anything of 2L normally.

Multiplying by 1.4 would take my 1587 cc N/A engine up to 2222 eqivalent

Although only a little over 2L is it likely that I would be eligible for up to 2L roadgoing class

Nope, you will end up in over 2l roadgoing, which is mostly populated by things with turbos and 4wd or V8s

My 1127cc hillclimb car was only 2cc over the 1125cc class cut off for modified specialist but unfortunately the rules is the rules. So i did the sensible thing and fitted bigger pistons....

[Lauren]

Biggest problem with the MR2 is that it is rarely competitive against other cars in it's class.

[cartledge_uk]

Sorry the grammer was terrible in my post.

You would be in my class, (2L above, it does depend becasue some events are run with different class structure) with the VX220's, Porka's, BMW M3's etc

[cartledge_uk]

Worse worse case it would still not be sports libre, it would be sports/modified or whatever ther mid classes are called and you would end up with the kit cars. But its not, Its road going in with me and the BMW M3's and big engined cars

[AdamP]

Cartledge, what championship do you compete in?

Peter, if you go a bit further and remove the interior you'd end up in Modified Limited Production. You wouldn't end up with the kit cars as they run in Modified Specialist Production (thats where I play )

[AdamP]

If you're serious about AD08s then these could be a bargain:

http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread. ... tml?t=6218

[cartledge_uk]

Cartledge, what championship do you compete in?

Peter, if you go a bit further and remove the interior you'd end up in Modified Limited Production. You wouldn't end up with the kit cars as they run in Modified Specialist Production (thats where I play )

Once again, it depends on the events (I'm guessing Peter runs local events not national) plus classes have changed. For example

http://www.abingdoncarnival.com/Abingdo ... 20Regs.pdf

Remove the interior and your in with the kit cars. You will also need a roll cage.

Peter, keep your interior, in an AW11 you wouldnt stand a chance in the higher classes, just stick in the A classes and have some fun.

[Quigonjay]

ad08's are on list 1a?
how did they manage that?
well done yokahama

Yes, definately 1a

That surprises you then Jay ?

it does surprise me slightly, given that they are usually marketed as a trackday tyre, besides, from what i can remember the old ad07's where on list 1b? could be wrong though

[AdamP]

Cartledge, that's just because the classes have been amalgamated. You could end up in a 'class' with anything due to that. I'm in a class with a Mallock (Sports Libre) and an OMS (Racing Cars) this weekend, but that doesn't mean that i'm actually competing against them.

I don't know of any championships where Modified Series and Modified Specialist compete directly as the MSA have now clearly defined the catagories.

[elbon50]

Cartledge, that's just because the classes have been amalgamated. You could end up in a 'class' with anything due to that. I'm in a class with a Mallock (Sports Libre) and an OMS (Racing Cars) this weekend, but that doesn't mean that i'm actually competing against them.

I don't know of any championships where Modified Series and Modified Specialist compete directly as the MSA have now clearly defined the catagories.

What modifications does your car have Adam ?

Are you able to be competitive with other modified series cars in your class ?

I have a National B licence

Have entered a local championship series for the fist time this year

[AdamP]

Peter,

My car is a bike engined 'kit' car built solely for speed events. Hence I run in modified specialist production (for chassis made in a quantity of 20 in a 12 month period). I haven't competed with Series Production cars in it (in local or national events) and neither did I compete with Specialist production cars in my previous modified series 205.

Don't worry too much about being competitive for the first few seasons, just make sure you've got the basics right and start learning!

[cartledge_uk]

Cartledge, that's just because the classes have been amalgamated. You could end up in a 'class' with anything due to that. I'm in a class with a Mallock (Sports Libre) and an OMS (Racing Cars) this weekend, but that doesn't mean that i'm actually competing against them.

I don't know of any championships where Modified Series and Modified Specialist compete directly as the MSA have now clearly defined the catagories.

Yawn. West fields with windscreens as produced from the west field factory. Also caterhams from the factory. I can happily provide links if you require.But then I'm sure you'll try and argue another wrong point.

[elbon50]

If you're serious about AD08s then these could be a bargain:

http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread. ... tml?t=6218

Yes they could be a bargain if they aren't old & gone hard Adam

The other isssue is that I want 195s



What engine & chassis in your hillclimb car ?

Did you build it yourself ?

[AdamP]

Cartledge, that's just because the classes have been amalgamated. You could end up in a 'class' with anything due to that. I'm in a class with a Mallock (Sports Libre) and an OMS (Racing Cars) this weekend, but that doesn't mean that i'm actually competing against them.

I don't know of any championships where Modified Series and Modified Specialist compete directly as the MSA have now clearly defined the catagories.

Yawn. West fields with windscreens as produced from the west field factory. Also caterhams from the factory. I can happily provide links if you require.But then I'm sure you'll try and argue another wrong point.

Would be quite interested to see the links.

Westfield have, as far as i'm aware, never made more than 1000 cars in a year, and therefore modified westfields are only eligible for modified specialist production, in the same way that a roadgoing westfield would be in roadgoing specialist production. Thats why they always run in modified specialist alongside myself. I don't see how you can argue with that?

Here's the regulations:

http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/msa_ ... ng_(S).pdf

P.S. Windscreens are irrelevant and optional for all open cars as of 2010.

[cartledge_uk]

I don't know of any championships where Modified Series and Modified Specialist compete directly as the MSA have now clearly defined the catagories.

Well heres 4 for starters, HTH

http://www.asemc.org.uk/

http://www.mark2motorsport.com/acsmc/do ... 20Regs.doc

http://www.twmc.org.uk/allcircuit/2012e ... gs2012.pdf

http://www.sevenoaksmotorclub.com/regs/ ... gs2012.doc

And the windscreen thing does matter, as identical cars (one with screen, one without) have been put in different classes. Can we stop spamming Peters thread now? Regulations are different depending on events.

So as I said in the thread above (and a few times before), before you doing anything Peter, please check the regulations for your series or events.

[AdamP]

I don't know of any championships where Modified Series and Modified Specialist compete directly as the MSA have now clearly defined the catagories.

Well heres 4 for starters, HTH

http://www.asemc.org.uk/

http://www.mark2motorsport.com/acsmc/do ... 20Regs.doc

http://www.twmc.org.uk/allcircuit/2012e ... gs2012.pdf

http://www.sevenoaksmotorclub.com/regs/ ... gs2012.doc

And the windscreen thing does matter, as identical cars (one with screen, one without) have been put in different classes. Can we stop spamming Peters thread now? Regulations are different depending on events.

So as I said in the thread above (and a few times before), before you doing anything Peter, please check the regulations for your series or events.

Always happy to be corrected, I hadn't even heard of those championships. As I said, interesting to see them!

However we will have to agree to disagree on the windscreen one, as it was clearly defined by the MSA in the regulations a couple of years ago (see my previous link). Roadgoing no longer excludes cars that were originally supplied without a windscreen as used to be the case, however the organising club is still free to add to the MSA regulations where it sees fit (so some clubs may still do it).

Just reread my post and i suppose it should really have read 'no longer mandatory' rather than 'optional'. I really meant 'optional where it was an option' if you get my drift.

[AdamP]

In the above regs, my car wouldn't be eligible for any of the classes. I wonder why that is?

[elbon50]

Thanks for your help Tim

Curborough Sprrint Championship Regs here:

http://www.curborough.co.uk/files/champregs12.pdf

Judging from the regs, what class to do think they would bump me into if they consider the car to be modified

Have already stripped quite a bit of weight out of it plus lowering springs & will get a Koni SSK very soon


Would like to open a new thread for this discussion

Title : "Hillclimb & Sprint Classes, Regs, etc"

Then this thread can be kept more or less for Sprint Tyres