Well, I decided to strip down the 4AGE to see what the problem was. We did a compression test on No.4 and it came out at 50psi. The other three were 210-215psi.
It's very difficult to see on my crappy pics. If you look carefully you can see the scoring to the bore:
You can perhaps see it better in this pic.
Mark has some better pics though he hasn't uploaded them yet. It's fairly obvious that a piston ring has snapped as there is some prominent scoring that is caused by the edge of the piston ring. Tis a real shame as the other three bores are absolutely perfect. Trouble is that when I started taking it all apart, I was hoping there'd be no real bore damage as I was hoping to re-hone and fit new rings and be good to go. It looks like the scoring is way beyond that, so this block would need over-boring and a new set of pistons.
The block is a high comp, but my issue is that we are supposed to be fitting Mark's rebuilt GZE in a few months time, so tbh I'm not sure I want to spend around £500 rebuilding the bottom end.
I admit I'm still a bit torn with my love for an NA as I admit that if Mark's engine wasn't available then I wouldn't be looking to fit a GZE into my car.
It seems that the likely option to get the car back on the road (it's already been off the road for 3 months) is to fit a secondhand bottom end and use my head complete with cams and all that. It's a difficult one as I admit I could do withouth the expense given this is the month I go self employed and leave my permanent job!
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I sometimes hate optimism.... It always frustrates me when i open something up thinking (Hoping) that the problem will be a straight forward one only to find it never seems to be that easy!
Well at least now you know the problem you have choices... which always a better position to be in than non at all.
I'm sure with all the swaps going on someone has a complete bottom end that you can change in.
hope you get it sorted
Well at least now you know the problem you have choices... which always a better position to be in than non at all.
I'm sure with all the swaps going on someone has a complete bottom end that you can change in.
hope you get it sorted
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Oh dear
Re-bore or good second hand block then Lauren
Are the head/block surfaces OK
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That's a new one on me
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Re-bore or good second hand block then Lauren
Are the head/block surfaces OK
Self employed social worker
That's a new one on me
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Ahhh you are faced with the problem that I had to decide how to deal with...
My MR2 is now off the road, it only needs the block skimming, the barrels are okay, could do with a re-bore but no damage from the piston rings.
My MR2 is now off the road, it only needs the block skimming, the barrels are okay, could do with a re-bore but no damage from the piston rings.
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elbon50 wrote:Oh dear
Re-bore or good second hand block then Lauren
Are the head/block surfaces OK
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That's a new one on me
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Block/head are very good, you can see how good the block is from the pics. We think the headgasket is HKS as was all metal of the three layer type. There's nothing wrong with the head.
It's a really difficult one as I just want to be able to use my car and i've promised the Brotherhood that it'll make shows in April. Also I'm fed up with driving around in a Yaris.
Self-employed social worker, yes, I want to do it as I can increase my earnings by 50%. Can get around £25-30 an hour, so will hopefully help pay enough to run an AE86!
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Oh and Peter, you'll like my company name, 'Hachiroku Ltd'.
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Thats an awesome name Lauren!
Devastated this has happened, but then again alot of us have been here lately. What happens to all the N/A bits when the GZE lump goes in?
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Devastated this has happened, but then again alot of us have been here lately. What happens to all the N/A bits when the GZE lump goes in?
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Not sure yet, Alex.
There's a part of me that would like to use it as a basis for building a high output NA engine and ditch the GZE idea. I'm a bit torn tbh!
There's a part of me that would like to use it as a basis for building a high output NA engine and ditch the GZE idea. I'm a bit torn tbh!
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Is it a 7 rib block? If so most of the bits would have to be changed for it anyway, id love to build a high output engine, but i cant afford to on my current wage, Although i did catch myself eyeing up high comp forged pistons and rods on ebay and also low comp pistons and forged rods perfect for a turbo setup, a few weeks ago, but the bank balance couldn't justify it.
Definately want to do a high revv'ing and high power engine at some point though can't beat 10K rpm in a morning
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Definately want to do a high revv'ing and high power engine at some point though can't beat 10K rpm in a morning
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Cheers, Alex.
My existing block is a late spec ie, post AE92 on block with the oil drain, so definitely a high comp block. So it would make a good basis for a project build with oversize pistons.
However, a massive thanks to Jo and Garrick who have made me an offer I can't refuse for an early working 3 rib engine and a bonus bottom end too. I even get to borrow their engine crane, so sorted!
Will be picking up tonight and fitting tomorrow! Plan is to put my head on the three rib block and run with that.
My existing block is a late spec ie, post AE92 on block with the oil drain, so definitely a high comp block. So it would make a good basis for a project build with oversize pistons.
However, a massive thanks to Jo and Garrick who have made me an offer I can't refuse for an early working 3 rib engine and a bonus bottom end too. I even get to borrow their engine crane, so sorted!
Will be picking up tonight and fitting tomorrow! Plan is to put my head on the three rib block and run with that.
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Whats the price on oversize pistons? Can the 4AGE block be bored and then inserted to keep at the same displacement?
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With 0.5 oversize pistons I think I worked it out to be a displacement of 1606cc - only 19cc more than standard.
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Would still need new pistons as opposed to using the standard ones. Would that displacement >1600 change the class to "the big boys"??
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pk_090 wrote:Whats the price on oversize pistons? Can the 4AGE block be bored and then inserted to keep at the same displacement?
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50 +VAT for pistons from Toyota.
The change in displacement is irrelevant tbh.
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Massive thanks to J&G.
Still we now have an engine crane, 1.5 4AGE's and some shiny cam covers that are going on.
The hard work starts tomorrow of course, but I think it's likely I'll look at taking the head off the complete engine and using the bottom end depending upon how it looks. Then I can put my head on with the correct inlet (still attached) and finally G's shiny cam covers.
I need to get a couple of bits from MrT, namely just an O ring for the waterpump (need to put the AE86 water pump on) and a new seal for the oil cooler sandwich plate. Oh and need 4 crush washers as well. Hopefully no more than that. We'll see. It's a shame Mark's so busy as I know he'd love to help. If anyone is bored do feel free to pop over, plenty of latex gloves here.
Still we now have an engine crane, 1.5 4AGE's and some shiny cam covers that are going on.
The hard work starts tomorrow of course, but I think it's likely I'll look at taking the head off the complete engine and using the bottom end depending upon how it looks. Then I can put my head on with the correct inlet (still attached) and finally G's shiny cam covers.
I need to get a couple of bits from MrT, namely just an O ring for the waterpump (need to put the AE86 water pump on) and a new seal for the oil cooler sandwich plate. Oh and need 4 crush washers as well. Hopefully no more than that. We'll see. It's a shame Mark's so busy as I know he'd love to help. If anyone is bored do feel free to pop over, plenty of latex gloves here.
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http://www.driftworks.com/forum/parts-s ... -sale.html
Shiney, expensive linky! i wish i had money!
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Shiney, expensive linky! i wish i had money!
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They're actually quite cheap, pretty specialist though as that duration is getting towards the extreme side.
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I'm not sure those cams are much use to anyone, too little lift for big power and too much duration for sensible running. If you're building an engine to exploit that much duration then a little machining to allow 10-11mm lift would be a no brainer.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm wrong.
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Reckon it's more likely he's got the specs wrong. Am sure the lift will be more than 8.7mm as otherwise like you say, what's the point?
Anyways, today's progress:
Have a word! Look what the previous person did to the oil drain!
My head and cams on the table:
1.5 4AGE's of the three rib variety!
Engine crane, engines and Indy:
Finally after much wiggling, the bottom end is free! Here is Mark posing as usual! It really was a royal PITA to separate the block from the gearbox.
An empty engine bay!
Anyways, today's progress:
Have a word! Look what the previous person did to the oil drain!
My head and cams on the table:
1.5 4AGE's of the three rib variety!
Engine crane, engines and Indy:
Finally after much wiggling, the bottom end is free! Here is Mark posing as usual! It really was a royal PITA to separate the block from the gearbox.
An empty engine bay!
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