xxxx and IMOC-UK

[Lauren]

This is about the banning of xxxx et al - not about me - I may be a friend of Tims I may not be.

So if emails are not entered into then the other affiliate has no warning then - so to all the companies that advertise on here can say what they want through emails to tarnish the reputation of other affiliates with no fear of warnings or bannings on here. I'm sorry but that is not using all of the information available - ignoring information is discusting behaviour.

This is nothing against the admin team of IMOC - im just asking questions and expressing my freedom of speech (or typing!) as this all seems quite unbelieveable!

Like has been explained about 50 times in this thread, Tim has admitted what he did wrong.

Why is it unbelievable when i tell you that we have no jurisdiction outside of the IMOC forum? It is not for us to get involved in emails etc to other companies. If you feel your mate has been hard done by, take legal proceedings against this other affiliate.

It is not disgusting behaviour. You seem to think we are the police or something. This is a car club, we run the car club, our concern is about what goes on in that club.

[redeye32uk]

Emails are nothing to do with IMOC. Anything outside of IMOC is not our concern and will not be looked into, nor will it be considered.

yeah just look through blinkers.... ignore half the facts ....

Our jurisdiction is within this forum. Surely you can see that there is no way we could even consider anything outside of it?

Why don't you think about it?

But surely things that have happened outside the forum , that have happened, have affected things on it. Rightly or wrongly they are contirbuting factors

[Lauren]

But surely things that have happened outside the forum , that have happened, have affected things on it. Rightly or wrongly they are contirbuting factors

Nope. We are concerned with what goes on in the forum and not what goes on outside it.

Not within our jurisdiction, not within our control. Simple as.

[redeye32uk]

But surely things that have happened outside the forum , that have happened, have affected things on it. Rightly or wrongly they are contirbuting factors

Nope. We are concerned with what goes on in the forum and not what goes on outside it.

Not within our jurisdiction, not within our control. Simple as.

OK not within your control but contributing factors none the less. The most anoying thing is its a life time (permanent) ban. and i notice that all his threads in Affiliates have been removed denying members info.... so when he brings out new products am i going to be allowed to post up pics of say a new turbo kit from xxxx in say the Modifications Thread as others have done lately on the Berk turbo kit

[Jaspa]

(which where edited to be removed afterwards)

For the record, The comments were removed at the request of the original posters. not through our opinions.

Stuart

[Keisuke]

This is about the banning of xxxx et al - not about me - I may be a friend of Tims I may not be.

If you feel your mate has been hard done by, take legal proceedings against this other affiliate.

Strange thing to say

The rammerfications of banning a business who pays to advertise based on selected information rather than on information available are very wide indeed.

I actually thought at first that it was a 6 or 12 month ban but a lifetime ban for effictively getting 3 yellow cards seems o little over the top - i'm my opinion.

I just hope that members will have more faith than a select few from the whole admin team. I hope people ask questions to themselve's when they require any part's or work.

[Lauren]

OK not within your control but contributing factors none the less. The most anoying thing is its a life time (permanent) ban. and i notice that all his threads in Affiliates have been removed denying members info.... so when he brings out new products am i going to be allowed to post up pics of say a new turbo kit from xxxx in say the Modifications Thread as others have done lately on the Berk turbo kit

Its standard practice to remove a banned affiliates products because they are no longer allowed to trade on this forum. All bans are permanent, thats what a ban is.

You can post up pics of a TB product, but you are not allowed to trade by proxy.

[Keisuke]

(which where edited to be removed afterwards)

For the record, The comments were removed at the request of the original posters. not through our opinions.

Stuart

Yes I know this - I read who edited them - I just thought Centuary Motorsport throwing mud at TBDevelopment's on a public forum post was in bad taste - that was the point of my statement.

[Lauren]

Strange thing to say
The rammerfications of banning a business who pays to advertise based on selected information rather than on information available are very wide indeed.
I actually thought at first that it was a 6 or 12 month ban but a lifetime ban for effictively getting 3 yellow cards seems o little over the top - i'm my opinion.
I just hope that members will have more faith than a select few from the whole admin team. I hope people ask questions to themselve's when they require any part's or work.

I know the implications of banning an affiliate are wide reaching. Tim has totalled four warnings in his time and would have been banned some time ago if it were not for a formal warning just expiring. We have the same protocol on banning for everyone. Most people realise when their behaviour is unnaceptable and then adhere to the rules. Three chances is more than enough. In all honesty we have discussed tightening up the banning rules for affiliates because if anything their behaviour should be exemplary.

Actually it was the whole admin team that was involved as well as the moderators, thats more than a few people! I don't understand your comment about people questioning themselves before they buy parts. It makes no sense.

Like i have said (feel like a broken record here) we have examined the evidence and there was way more than enough information to bring us to the decision that we reached. In fact i would go as far to say that i was shocked and appalled by what i uncovered.

If it helps, nothing you say will reverse this decision. Tim is the third person to be banned by totting up formal warnings. This is a very rare occurence and not one any committee members take lightly.

[Keisuke]

If it helps, nothing you say will reverse this decision.

Totally understand that chief, not trying to get him unbanned if I want anything off him I can buy it through his website anyway.

There where/are many questions regarding this matter which I can't understand for example you wont look at emails but IMMOC will use PRIVATE messages as evidance to give some one another strike.

Makes no sence to me at all but I have at least had the chance to post and have done so.

Thanks

out/

[Lauren]

Totally understand that chief, not trying to get him unbanned if I want anything off him I can buy it through his website anyway.

There where/are many questions regarding this matter which I can't understand for example you wont look at emails but IMMOC will use PRIVATE messages as evidance to give some one another strike.

Makes no sence to me at all but I have at least had the chance to post and have done so.

Thanks

out/

Okay, well we can verify PMs, but we can't verify emails. If evidence is to be conclusive we have to be able to authenticate it. We can't do that with emails, so in that respect we can't consider them.

[ducatichick]

I'm with Lauren's last statement. EVERY avenue was explored and as much as we didn't want to believe the allegations, when they were proven there was nothing we could do. It was not taken lightly and it was a decision a few of us have had to swallow

This does not take away from Tim his recommendatons and he can still be recommended.

Unfortunately rules are to be upheld and not to be bent.

I fear I'm already relitterating what has already been written.

[RichLee]

[jont]

There doesn't seem to be much of this sentiment, but I just want to offer my appreciation and support for a committee that isn't shy in making tough decisions; a rare thing.

Well said John. I'm also impressed with their patience and calmness in responding to the same questions on this thread over and over again.

Jon

[greeny]

I dont know entirely whats happened and tbh i dont care! But EVERY Affiliate will always have there followers, or dare I say ar$e lickers?

At the end of the day xxxx has addmitted that he's done wrong and accepts the ban?? The committee has produced there reasoning and proof (Proof that can be open to the forum public) and have come to the decision to ban him? Even Earl who quotes Tim as his main sponsor has said the decision was the right one??

So I cant see why his followers Are still giving the board xxxx?

I have bought from Tim in the past, but i must say that the way he used to come across slagging other affiliates products off and jumping all over there threads didnt fullfill me with doin buisness with him

I didnt see the need for him to do it TBH the board was big enough for whoever wants to trade through here and as I said he seems to have plenty of people reccomending him and doin buisness with him.


All in my honest opinion

Michael.

[mgodfrey]

i dont know the ins and outs of it and to be honest i dont care,
the only thing i would like to suggest is a better controlled way to run the warnings and bans
maybe tim should have been fined a monetry amount instead of receiveing a straight ban,
that way it is more affecting on tim as it is out of his pocket ,
also if he does it again you can fine him again this would lead to money being used for the forum and imoc events/charities if there are any that imoc sponsors.

if the person refuse to pay the fine or gets fined twice in a year then should be banned for life

so two formal warnings
then two fines
then a life ban


i have nothing else to say so shoot me down all who want
kind regards
MIKE

[Lauren]

i dont know the ins and outs of it and to be honest i dont care,
the only thing i would like to suggest is a better controlled way to run the warnings and bans
maybe tim should have been fined a monetry amount instead of receiveing a straight ban,
that way it is more affecting on tim as it is out of his pocket ,
also if he does it again you can fine him again this would lead to money being used for the forum and imoc events/charities if there are any that imoc sponsors.

if the person refuse to pay the fine or gets fined twice in a year then should be banned for life

so two formal warnings
then two fines
then a life ban


i have nothing else to say so shoot me down all who want
kind regards
MIKE

I'm not sure moving the goalposts is the answer in all honesty. I should say that the committee and various mods have pleaded with Tim to behave himself on the forums. It was all to no avail but we really did try hard. Tim knew full well (as do the other affiliates and members) that it is 3 strikes and you are out. Tim has received 4 formal warnings in all. If he can't get the hang of obeying the rules then what can we do?

I think there are ethical issues surrounding fines and it creates more problems than it solves.

[ryan]

Personal not 'perswonal'. I don't intend on arguing, just posting my view as you have.

I thought you might correct my typo, not a spelling mistake I may add.
You work for the said rival, I don't.

Wrong again. I actually run a pub in Brierly Hill. Wasn't it you that lived with Tim for a while? A very close associate and will have a biased view without question so you are bound to blame anybody else but Tim.

Thats correct, Tim was kind enough to 'put me up', when I got a months work in Worcester.
Are you telling the truth here? You may 'run' a pub, but in one of your previous posts on another thread, you admit to 'running a race team with Nathan,' so that means you certainly work with him, if not for him..

Tim has done wrong, but it doesn't mean Freak is in the right, just more 'clever' in the way he conducts his ill chosen words about others....

I don't intend replying to your posts anymore, i've said what I wanted to say, and we are going off topic a bit....

[ryan]

How do you know there were no actions against any other affiliates? Warnings are not generally publicised either way.

New member eh?
T

So have Century Motorsport recieved a formal warning then, or are admin not at liberty to say....?

[Lauren]

Tim has done wrong, but it doesn't mean Freak is in the right, just more 'clever' in the way he conducts his ill chosen words about others....

I don't intend replying to your posts anymore, i've said what I wanted to say, and we are going off topic a bit....

What you are saying is hearsay. Who has formal warnings on IMOC is not public knowledge.

Well we looked at all evidence and allegations against both parties. No evidence was found with regard to Nathan. Nathan is clean on IMOC.