[Mk2] [Turbo] Beware Of Expensive Jap Crap

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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Beware Of Expensive Jap Crap

Post by jmachling »

My knowledge of fluid dynamics is pretty limited, but I believe the flow of any exhaust is limited by the cross-sectional area of the narrowest part, hence why restricter plates can cure waste-gate creep. E.g. if an exhaust has any section which is 2", the fact that the rest of the exhaust is 3" is irrelevant because the max flow rate is limited by the 2" section.

Also, are the thermal properties of an exhaust really a concern? Inlet/exhaust manifolds and turbo housings, yes, but nothing's really affected by the temperature of the exhaust itself is it?

Discuss :thumleft:
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Post by 2Crooky »

Can people stop referring to jap mods as JDM!!!!!!!! ](*,) :mad:

JDM is Japanese domestc market and is a term used to describe a factory product, like OEM is used over here!!! Just because you have aftermarket jap products on your car does not mean it is JDM!!

Rant over loL!
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Post by 3sgte »

2Crooky wrote:Can people stop referring to jap mods as JDM!!!!!!!! ](*,) :mad:

JDM is Japanese domestc market and is a term used to describe a factory product, like OEM is used over here!!! Just because you have aftermarket jap products on your car does not mean it is JDM!!

Rant over loL!


OEM is OEM wherever in the world ,it means original equipment manufacturer .Ie standard stuff built ny or for the manufacturer

A lot of the aftermarket stuff is only sold in japan hence it is sold to the Japanese Domestic Market

take for instance the quirky little parking permit stickers you get in the windows of imports .
They are not OEM as the manufacturer never put them there ,But they are JDM :thumleft:
Now i know that recently japanese tuning parts have gone a lot more global ,but i bet 10 years ago you would have stuggled to get an HKS exhaust for an mr2 turbo outside of japan ,That makes it JDM :mrgreen:
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Post by matt_mr2t »

Some of you just dont get the point of this at all #-o It really is completely going over some heads.

It cost much more for these Jap exhausts even though they're made from cheaper materials that dont last as long. Hence my warning to those expecting a lifetime from their over priced parts.

They WONT last a lifetime. They will rust far more than a fullt stainless system, there is no question of that happening.

If your gonna get one - go for one thats made from FULLY stainless, all the way through.
I'm just happy it wasnt actually me that bought the HKS one as I would have been fuming that something that expensive got into that much of a state.
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matt_mr2t wrote:Some of you just dont get the point of this at all #-o It really is completely going over some heads.

It cost much more for these Jap exhausts even though they're made from cheaper materials that dont last as long. Hence my warning to those expecting a lifetime from their over priced parts.

They WONT last a lifetime. They will rust far more than a fullt stainless system, there is no question of that happening.

If your gonna get one - go for one thats made from FULLY stainless, all the way through.
I'm just happy it wasnt actually me that bought the HKS one as I would have been fuming that something that expensive got into that much of a state.


All it boils down to is that people have spent there cash on a certain exhaust.... some people buy mild steel exhausts with there hard earned money and wont have a bad word said against them.

No matter how you try to coat your departure 2 with sparkly little comments like..... "Yeah but it looks good" and "Yeah it fits great" A motoria full stainless at 220 quid will be around alot longer than your mild steel 1000 pound departure 2. There is no denying that and no arguing against it. End of.
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Post by 2Crooky »

No matter the build quality or material used to make a specific aftermarket modification, people will buy them however cheap or expensive!! There is no pleasing everyone in the modding scene but you can't label all mild steel exhausts of a jap brand as overpriced pieces of cr@p.

If you are the kind of person to own a high horsepower jap car......then you accept the oil changes every 4000 miles, you accept the new tyres every 6 months, you accept the high running costs with petrol, and you accept all the other wear and tear on the vehicle.......So stop moaning and realise that it is just another part of the car that you have to accept will perish over time.....If you expect to replace and repair everything else on the car then you have to expect to repair the exhaust too.....No matter if it lasts 6 months or 6 years!! Its the price you pay for high power ownership.

If you have a problem with the "cheap! design and high price tag of HKS products then call them and ask them directly why they have done so, because you are just offending everone on here who has bought one of these systems or shelled out similar money for an exhaust system! [-X
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Post by Leon. »

Shame we have to reduce ourselves to slating each others modifications :?

I have a motoria and really like it. No its not Jap but it fits the bill for all the things I want from an exhaust - spot on appearance, SS, 3" system, twin exit, 4.5" slash cut tips, deep and meaningful all through the range. Its almost impossible to find an exhaust that fits your ideal criteria. The only thing missing with mine is the jap aspect but for some reason the marque of an exhaust doesn't bother me... wheels are a different matter IMO... each to their own. At the same time I appreciate the efforts that the likes of Edwin have gone to to source only genuine Jap products for everything :thumleft:

I'm also not bothered what people think about my car (seriously), doesn't bother me that the Motoria is 'common', I choose the parts I like best, and wack them on :thumleft:

If the Superdragger was louder, I'd have had that...

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Post by -:[KM]:- »

Leeroy wrote:Shame we have to reduce ourselves to slating each others modifications :?



Ditto...

I too have a Motoria... a spot-on exhaust. Well polished and good regular TIG weld beads. On the US forums it has been slated there too... [-X

And they say it sits too low :-k My coilovers are at the lowest on the rear and, apart from leaving my drive, I've never had too much trouble with it hitting the floor.
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Again its down to personal preference but I think its sits bang on for me. Did get the occassional scrape at the beginning but had to raise the suspension a tad due to arch rubbing so everything's happy now :mrgreen:
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Post by -:[KM]:- »

This is before I lowered it some more...

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Looks OK to me... :whistle:
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Dude, sort that grill out!! :oldtongue:

Nice Aeroware spoiler :wink:
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:oops: I quite like the grill... and my toblerones... :oops:

I'll book to see my head-doctor tomorrow. :^o

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Post by matt_mr2t »

The phrase "expensive jap crap" is said in jest - blimmey.

And no, no one should expext insanely expensive products to fall to peices in less time that far cheaper ones, thats just a silly thing to say.

Any way, the Berk exhaust arrived last night. The only gripe I have I guess is the welds are more on show than on the Jap brand ones.
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Post by grayboy »

i had an hks hyper , thought it was a class exhaust , sound , looks etc , but then i decided that i fancied a little more growl . :evil:

so i had this made up .....
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its the hks hyper box and then a custom 3 inch pipe all the way to the cat .....
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Post by Harry »

grayboy wrote:i had an hks hyper , thought it was a class exhaust , sound , looks etc , but then i decided that i fancied a little more growl . :evil:

so i had this made up .....
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its the hks hyper box and then a custom 3 inch pipe all the way to the cat .....


Looks great, :+: :mrgreen: :clap:

Who made it up and how were their prices?
Is it the full system from down-pipe on?

Can they do the same but say start off 4" then about mid way go 5" then
the last foot about 6"? Wonder if they have that sort of piping and or graduation possible??? :D
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Post by grayboy »

i got it done in a place called pro-speed about 5 mins from cardiff town centre .

http://www.pro-speedexhausts.com/index.html

just check out their gallery , they were a sound group of blokes and their work in the mutts nutts. i gave the car to them at 10 and it was done for when the misses finished the shopping at 1pm :clap: .

as the for the prices , they range depending on what work you want doing , i rang up the boss ( charlie ) and described what i wanted and he gave me the price over the phone , when i got down there i could see that my flexi was a bit crap so he put a massive flexi in it for an extra £20.

ye its from the downpipe on , and they had loads of stock there of ranging from all sorts of size pipe. just give them a ring and go from there
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Post by Harry »

Great Mate, :+:

Sent them an E-mail will see when they respond? :wink: :-k

Want to do a 4-5-6" either single or double exit no baffle boxes and or tail pipes just piping.About 1/3 per graduated size so 1/3 4"...etc.The last 1/3
being the 6" the pipe must flare a bit.Can be mild steel if lighter and more heat effective! :-k Dont care how long it lasts!!!
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Post by samr2 »

just to let u know spotted a motoria with manifold for sale on ebay..........
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Post by Chr15py »

I have a HKS Silent Hi-power - mine is Fully stainless from cat back. I think it has been on the car for a long time and it has no rust anywhere - as you'd expect. I'm sure it weighs loads, has a 3+" diameter and has a nice constant radius 'U' before the first backbox - doesn't mean it would be restrictive. Basically, a Nur has a big U and that isn't restrictive.

I'd be really happy when I finally get my Firking downpipe from sbits!
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Re: [Mk2] [Turbo] Beware Of Expensive Jap Crap

Post by matt_mr2t »

When I took the HKS Hiper off I measured it. The internal diameter was 2 1/4 inches.

Since I've fitted the Berk my boost has risen so I need to re-program my AVCR.
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