[Mk2] [Turbo] !!! REV2 Turbo Mappable ECU !!!

[bobhatton]

Do not give up, he is still working on the project.

Bob

[mks2005]

Im a bit late coming into this and aint read all the tread..

Sounds like your doing good work, and im sure if you manage to finish it tons of peopel will buy

all i can say is godo luck and cant wait for it to be finished LOL

[logical]

Hey Guys/Gals

Looks like I have a competitor with similar skills and product types.

Basically to cut a long story short, I have been outta the car tuning scene for many many years due to other business ventures BUT I am finally going to pull my thumb out and get back in to things in a big way, got an absolutely immaculate GT4 ST205 sat outside, been sat there for the last 18 months so gonna dive back in, MOT it and use for the purpose it was purchased for, sounds sad but it is a damn fast testbench.

I too will be releasing some goodies aimed specifically at the 3SGTE powered motors.

Am lucky enough to now have a fully setup R&D Workshop at home funded by previous business now so no downtime waiting for PCB's or CNC Work, just run them off on the machines here.

As to not hijack the previous thread and good luck with your R&D work for the datalogger (I know its time consuming as a product designer myself)

I will therefore create a new thread as soon as I get on with things, anyone interested in 3SGTE Tuning Accessories (please feel PM me, will also be after some testers for discounted items)

Note to Admin, not trying to hijcak the thread but if you feel in anyway I am treading on peoples toes, please feel free to delete my post.

Thanks

Chris

p.s one plug if possible, another one of my businesses for Custom Spigot Rings is www.CustomSpigotRings.co.uk if that is of any use to anyone.

[PW@Woodsport]

You need to pay affiliation to advertise your products or business on this forum mate.

[logical]

You need to pay affiliation to advertise your products or business on this forum mate.

Not a problem, duly noted, once I get the toys up and running, will contact Admin regarding advertising, thanks for the heads up.

[logical]

Actually just had a look round, the only thing I can find is Premium Membership, presume you mean that?

Also looked through the FAQ, can't find "affiliation" or anything relating to that there, will PM the admin unless you know off the top of your head.

Thanks

Chris

[Steve Horrocks]

You need to contact a guy called john machling on here regarding affiliation.
click here

[johndgt4]

Hi Logical,

Hope you are the GT4OC too!

Got a 185 and on the lookout for a 205WRC!

John

[logical]

Thanks Steve,

Will give him a shout soon.

@John, I am on there, to be honest I have only just started over again, not even got the site built for the tuning goodies yet.
I have the same UserID on GT4OC

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[bishop]

what happened to this? any one?

[platmatt8]

it died....

[PW@Woodsport]

Please see my post back on page 8, hate to say "i told you so", but....

I told you so, we got promised the earth and got let down too, i knew this would never get to production. I'm sure Jeremy's a nice guy and means well, but his commitment to see projects through sucks the fat one!

Please don't take this the wrong way Jeremy but i think you just like to talk about what you can do.

We aren't the only ones to be hugely let down after being promised big things.

[platmatt8]

We where all drawn in by the possibilities of a stock ecu that was fully mapable but....


Well you know the outcome....






and for those you don`t Big disapointment

[JMR_AW11]

The last production ECU got sold to a well known imoc member some time ago.

Note: The IMOC member I am referring to below is NOT Gersen (Tom) or Luthor1 (Andy) who appear in this thread. Tom and Andy were great and helped this project a LOT so I don't want anyone to think it was them

After I sold it to the unnamed IMOC member the ECU was subsequently sent by the IMOCer to be reverse engineered

I know because I spoke to the electronics company he sent it to and they confirmed that they were instructed to take it apart to see what chips I had used in my adaptor board.

I got a slightly different story from the IMOC member. I believe the version according to the director of the electronics company.

Apparently the company took it apart and couldn't put it back together again (I designed it to prevent tampering)

So the IMOC member tried to repair it himself and then sent it back to me to repair it.

When I opened it up I could instantly tell it had been tampered with.

Here are some images of the damage to the ECU.

The horrible mess of extra blue wires are the handiwork of the IMOC member. However, he blamed the fitting of the blue wires on the electronics company. So who do I believe?

You can see the horrible soldering as well.



There's more images of the tampered ECU here:

http://www.jmrhzu.btinternet.co.uk/Rev2 ... pered_ECU/


This person also sent me an aftermarket ECU and asked me to get mapping info etc from it and I refused.


The messed up ECU in the pictures went back to the IMOC member so if you ever see it again then please don't think that the mess of extra wires is anything to do with me.

The ECU has anti tamper measures in it and this IMOC member managed to totally screw up the ECU beyond repair. I basically refused to repair it as the ECU PCB had been so badly butchered.

I've sent out stuff for free to IMOC members and people either refuse to return it or lose interest and never test it. The ECU above is not the only item I've sent out that has come back tampered with.


I have at least one modded rev2 ECU here that remained unsold. It's been sat here at least a year and I don't want to sell it to anyone on IMOC because I feel I will regret it.

However, if Paul Woods wants to call my bluff he can have it for the same price the last ones went for.

For a bit more info there's an old help document here:
http://www.jmrhzu.btinternet.co.uk/Rev2 ... _help4.doc


All I ask is that he doesn't send it to the IMOC member who tampered with the last one because he still wanted to buy at least one more ECU from me.

[JMR_AW11]

Please don't take this the wrong way Jeremy but i think you just like to talk about what you can do.

What limited free time I've had for electronics etc has been spent making mappable radio control modules for my neighbour.

The most recent project is a paddle steamer with twin motor controllers with twin MCU chips with 2D and 3D mapped tables for the paddle motors. I've used the knowledge gained from Toyotas brilliant mapping code to make the motors mappable to make them behave more realistically compared to basic proportional radio control.

I've done this for my 71year old neighbour for FREE. He spends months at a time making model boats from scratch. These are not kits.

I delivered the stuff to him when he asked for it and I really enjoyed doing it.

I did for him because he is a good neighbour and he drove me to and from work/doctor/hospital/shops every day for 6 weeks after my bike accident.

I didn't start this thread and I don't owe any of you guys ANYTHING.

[JMR_AW11]

Please don't take this the wrong way Jeremy but i think you just like to talk about what you can do.

We aren't the only ones to be hugely let down after being promised big things.

Paul, When you approached me to ask me to look at V6 ECUs instead of 3SGTE ECUs you sent me an ECU to look at.

I told you I needed money to make an adaptor plate. You said you would fund it. You never sent me any money so I paid for it myself and carried on working.

I fitted a board to the ECU you sent me and it was tested OK in a v6 MR2.

Then I said I needed V6 ECU plugs to wire up to the ECU and you said you would send me some. You never did send them despite several requests from me.

I needed the plugs to stop me having to wire direct to the ECU every time I wanted to test it.

I also sent you a FREE datalogger cable to test as it could have been used on any rev2 MR2 or the v6 cars.

you never tested it for me despite my repeated requests for you to do this.

Finally in one of your trademark IMOC rants about 6 months later you said you broke it.

You said I could have it back. Another false promise. You never sent it back.

Then in a later ignorant and abusive PM you told me you threw it in the bin.

Thanks a lot.


I actually spent ages working on the V6 ECU and made a dedicated datalogger program for it for the laptop.

This was all tested on the day someone fitted it to a V6 ECU.

I didn't get ANY payment for any of this time.

After you failed to provide me with ANY support (see above) I stopped working on the V6 ECU.

And you seem surprised Paul?

Don't take this the wrong way Paul, but I just think you like to 'talk' about helping me.

I'm sure you will reply with "why should I fund your project?" but it was you who appraoached me and diverted me from 3SGTE ECUs. It was you who offered the help and never delivered the help.

[JMR_AW11]

What annoys me most about this thread is that there is no shortage of lazy armchair critics who have done absolutely NOTHING themselves.

I've designed and built and sold ECUs to people and it still isn't enough.

I've also sent out stuff FREE to people for testing and they can't be bothered to report back.

Also I recently spent a whole Saturday morning helping an IMOCer with instructions (via PM) on how to alter the fuel and ignition mapping on a stock mk1a MR2 ECU.

I took an ECU apart and worked out what mods needed to be done and wrote it all down for them.

I did this for FREE and they didn't even reply back with a thankyou.

The mods can look at my pms if anyone thinks I made this up.

[PW@Woodsport]

Jeremy it's not my job or responsibility to help you! I was not the one that was going to make a lot of money selling ECU's, this was YOUR business venture, NOT MINE!

You expect everyone else to pay for the devlopment and parts, well i'm afraid business doesn't work that way my friend but even then i did offer to pay to help the job along.

Your datalog cable broke on the first attempt to use it, it was poorly built, but i've explained this to you countless times.... in yours words "it's a fragile prototype" .... it broke, it was crap, it went in the bin, get over it.

Bottom line, you promised two different Mr2 forums a mappable ECU and both times failed to deliver, i set up a funding thread for you on Twobrutal where 20-30 people were happy to each give you £20 towards funding for YOUR business to help YOU get your idea off the ground, some of those people did not even have V6's!! They just wanted to show club support!

I did everything to help you, you let a lot of people down and you have done the same thing again...my fault? I THINK NOT!

DON'T PROMISE WHAT YOU CANNOT DELIVER.

[JMR_AW11]

Jeremy it's not my job or responsibility to help you! I was not the one that was going to make a lot of money selling ECU's, this was YOUR business venture, NOT MINE!

You expect everyone else to pay for the devlopment and parts, well i'm afraid business doesn't work that way my friend but even then i did offer to pay to help the job along.

Your datalog cable broke on the first attempt to use it, it was poorly built, but i've explained this to you countless times.... in yours words "it's a fragile prototype" .... it broke, it was crap, it went in the bin, get over it.

Bottom line, you promised two different Mr2 forums a mappable ECU and both times failed to deliver, i set up a funding thread for you on Twobrutal where 20-30 people were happy to each give you £20 towards funding for YOUR business to help YOU get your idea off the ground, some of those people did not even have V6's!! They just wanted to show club support!

I did everything to help you, you let a lot of people down and you have done the same thing again...my fault? I THINK NOT!

DON'T PROMISE WHAT YOU CANNOT DELIVER.

Bottom line, you promised two different Mr2 forums a mappable ECU and both times failed to deliver, i set up a funding thread for you on Twobrutal where 20-30 people were happy to each give you £20 towards funding for YOUR business to help YOU get your idea off the ground, some of those people did not even have V6's!! They just wanted to show club support!

Paul, NOBODY sent me any money. You keep digging that up but NOBODY sent me any money. You said you would pay for the adaptor plate and you said you would send me ECU plugs. But nothing happened. You didn't send me anything.

Why did it take you 6 to 9 months to tell me you had broken my datalogger cable? I asked you lots of times to try it and all I got were excuses why you hadn't tried it.

I'll tell you why you didn't try it for over 6 months Paul, it was because you were too lazy to get off your ar$e and plug it in to an MR2.

When the guy came down to test the V6 ECU we tried an identical cable on the V6 and it took about 2 minutes to test it.

2 minutes is a lot quicker than 6 months.

Why did you even offer to test this cable for me Paul? You could have at least told me you had broken it out of courtesy and I would have repaired it for you. By the way, the pins used on it are the same as the ones used on PC motherboard IDE connectors and these aren't easy to break. I can only assume you either trod on it or tried to connect it using a hammer.

Also, it wasn't just a cable, it had a tiny microcontroller chip buried inside the housing that decoded the Toyota data. This was on a tiny PCB.

Thanks very much for chucking it the bin Mr Ignorant mechanic

DON'T PROMISE WHAT YOU CANNOT DELIVER

(this armchair criticism lark is easier than I thought )

[JMR_AW11]

So basically we have people here I send stuff to and they either fob me off for 6 months and chuck stuff in the bin like an ignorant twit or we have the other type who take my stuff apart for suspicious reasons.


Finally, if anyone still hasn't worked out what has happened, then take a good look above at my initial post yesterday at 3:15.

I sent that IMOCer a production ECU to use and provide feedback and datalogs. It takes a lot of work to build these ECUs and for this ECU I soak tested it and also spent ages writing new code for it to allow even more maps to be altered by the user.

All of this was a complete waste of time and effort on my part because the IMOCer decided to have the ECU dismantled and ripped apart to see what chips I'd used etc.

This all happened about a year ago and I felt betrayed and gutted.

Therefore, I haven't done ANYTHING on this project since and I can't say if or when I will again but I did deliver ECUs to people so please try and recognise how much effort I put into this project.