Andy Forster Dyno Results From Thor Today 407bhp at hubs!

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Elmo Owen wrote:Andy can we have a look at your spec?(its not very comprehensive in your profile!)
Only i'm running the same turbo and it aint goin yet:)


Thanks Mr Dodge, 850s, may go say 900 just to be safe.

Spec, what i can remember (its been a while)
Extreem boost GT30 external waste gate
HKS rail and FPR Supra pump and braided lines
Rev 3 head P&P HKS 272s, pullys
Brand new rev3 crank balanced and tufrided
TTE rods, JE coated pistons .5 over..........rev2 block
Fidanza....ACT 6 puck
Crap 720 injectors
Spearco relocated to opposite side of engine bay
Tec3 EMS also crap
All ARPs
Thats the main bits
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jonno wrote:http://www.madcat.co.uk/perl/gallery.pl?andyf

As title really, I will let Andy fill you in on the details...

Essentially he hit 408bhp at 1.6 bar i think? Before the injectors started to run out and limited the power.

The day was severely hampered by a coolant problem which Andy has got to track down.

Excellent results though!!

Neil.


that's a lot of power! Must be kinda interesting :twisted: when that step in the torque curve happens. Holy buddha
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Hedgehog Dodger wrote:need to get mine on the dyno now...... :D



*anticipates list of excuses why car can't make it that day*

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Andy, have the existing injectors been flow tested at all? I know of a chap on the Supra forum who had a set of brand new 1000cc HKS flow tested and two of the six were 30% down!

Cheap link for you:

http://www.hopupracing.com/blitzinjectors.html

I'm guessing the rest of the fuel system is up to the job and it's just the injectors that are causing issues? What brand are the injectors you have?

How is the pulsewidth resolution on the Tec3? Just wondering if it's going to be happy with massive injectors on idle or is it going to run *really* rich?

Dual rail and dual pump?

The Supra chaps are going silly these days and 6 x 1600cc seems to be the way forward for the big power lads, that's a lot of fuel!

Power washers are only £19.99 each at B&Q at the moment Andy, maybe buy 4 of those instead and see what happens?

Anyway enough rambling, hurry up and get it sorted before you sell it to me.
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Theres a few people in the USA that have got big power out side mount aftermarket intercoolers such as the spearco and greddy. Its possibly the fact they use large turbos, i.e. a cooler charge of air at say 1.2 bar then 1.2 bar on a CT20b / hybrid CT26.

Andy...good results dude, you deserve it after all the hard work. Get those injectors and wind the wick upto 2 bar :P

BTW HKS do a top feed 1000cc injectors specific for your fuel rail :)

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BTW...how does it drive?
M5
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michael wrote:Andy, have the existing injectors been flow tested at all? I know of a chap on the Supra forum who had a set of brand new 1000cc HKS flow tested and two of the six were 30% down!
Hi Michael, no not tested, they are low impedance ones too which does'nt help.

Cheap link for you:

http://www.hopupracing.com/blitzinjectors.html
They always seem weird sizes in top feed, think 1000s are to big 800s too small :roll:

I'm guessing the rest of the fuel system is up to the job and it's just the injectors that are causing issues? What brand are the injectors you have?
Yer i watched the fuel pressure gauge and it never dropped when on full chat :lol:

How is the pulsewidth resolution on the Tec3? Just wondering if it's going to be happy with massive injectors on idle or is it going to run *really* rich?
This is why i chose 720s, thought they would be big enough for good power, but still managable. Should have known i would be a power junkie

Dual rail and dual pump?
Its possible,the Tec3 will run multi injectors, but its mapping time, yesterday was £700, and that was at reduced rate :shock:

The Supra chaps are going silly these days and 6 x 1600cc seems to be the way forward for the big power lads, that's a lot of fuel!
My word............Tick over??????????

Power washers are only £19.99 each at B&Q at the moment Andy, maybe buy 4 of those instead and see what happens?
Are they low or high impedance :D

Anyway enough rambling, hurry up and get it sorted before you sell it to me.

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V8Killer wrote:BTW...how does it drive?


Hi mate
Drives very nice now, just a couple of low boost issues.
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Andy...good results dude, you deserve it after all the hard work. Get those injectors and wind the wick upto 2 bar

BTW HKS do a top feed 1000cc injectors specific for your fuel rail

Cheers Muhsin
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I like ! :D

Good things come to those who wait andy ! :) Loads of man hours paid off ... need I go down the money route :shock:

Anyone witnessed Andy F's driving yet ? :shock: :wink:
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JJ wrote:
Anyone witnessed Andy F's driving yet ? :shock: :wink:


It goes a bit like this.....

:?: > :) > :D > :shock: > :shaking: > :shaking2: > [-o< > :thumleft:
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michael wrote:
JJ wrote:
Anyone witnessed Andy F's driving yet ? :shock: :wink:


It goes a bit like this.....

:?: > :) > :D > :shock: > :shaking: > :shaking2: > [-o< > :thumleft:


So he doesn't drive like a sissy then !!! :D Happy with that ! :thumleft:
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JJ wrote:I like ! :D

Good things come to those who wait andy ! :) Loads of man hours paid off ... need I go down the money route :shock:
Hi Cranky.......money route, could be more if i don;t sort this over heat problem, got any ideas mate?? When boosting over 1 bar temp gauge shoots up heater goes cold, then when you back off it goes back to nornal.
If you do this 2/3 times the coolant then boil's and piles out the expantion bottle.
Its done this since the rebuild.
It sounds like the HG to me, but why???????

Anyone witnessed Andy F's driving yet ? :shock: :wink:

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Hell bells !! where to look first !? :shock:

Yours is a rev 3/4 head on a rev 2 ?

Whats sort of head gasket you running ??

I know the rev 3 has come sort of cavitation in comparison to the rev 2 head for coolant... did you use a rev 2 destined gasket or a rev 3 ??

I understnad you've probably addressed all avenues, but its often the simplest one overlooked.

I know when i've stuck a rev 3 gasket onto a rev 1/2, I've had to drill additional holes into it to allow circulation of coolant into the outter regions of the valve / combustion area of the head - always been paranoid in shifting stagnant coolant pockets !

This is only the HG being address here, were the holes for the coolant passages are in the right place ? and are they big enough.

I know the rev 3/4 head has an extension to the swirl pot ( sensor stalk / what ever you want to call it ) in comparison to the rev 1/2's ... this channel looks like its directly to the area in discussion of the head which may provide that additional coolant flow out of the head ??? or did you use your rev 2 one and block the hole up ??? :D

I know you've spent forever bleeding it ! What sort of rad cap you got on it ?? not tried fitting one of those 1.2 bar caps on it as a trail ??

hhhmmmm ... ponder time :!:
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JJ wrote:Hell bells !! where to look first !? :shock:

Yours is a rev 3/4 head on a rev 2 ?

Whats sort of head gasket you running ??

I know the rev 3 has come sort of cavitation in comparison to the rev 2 head for coolant... did you use a rev 2 destined gasket or a rev 3 ??

I understnad you've probably addressed all avenues, but its often the simplest one overlooked.

I know when i've stuck a rev 3 gasket onto a rev 1/2, I've had to drill additional holes into it to allow circulation of coolant into the outter regions of the valve / combustion area of the head - always been paranoid in shifting stagnant coolant pockets !

This is only the HG being address here, were the holes for the coolant passages are in the right place ? and are they big enough.

I know the rev 3/4 head has an extension to the swirl pot ( sensor stalk / what ever you want to call it ) in comparison to the rev 1/2's ... this channel looks like its directly to the area in discussion of the head which may provide that additional coolant flow out of the head ??? or did you use your rev 2 one and block the hole up ??? :D

I know you've spent forever bleeding it ! What sort of rad cap you got on it ?? not tried fitting one of those 1.2 bar caps on it as a trail ??

hhhmmmm ... ponder time :!:


The Rev1/2 heads have a channel around the combustion chambers, right? So if you're fitting a Rev3 head (which has holes, not a channel) onto an earlier block, would you not just make sure that the holes on the HG line up with the holes in the head?

Even on a Rev3 head, the HG holes are smaller than the holes in the head, aren't they? I remember asking a Toyota engine builder if it was worth opening up the gasket to match the holes exactly but he said that sometimes you can overdo it and put too much coolant flow into the head.

JJ, I think Andy's already got an uprated filler cap. I don't know what options there are, but I've got a 1.5bar TRD one here (stock is 0.9). Now, if Andy's is a 1.5bar one, then what the hell is pressurising his system so much that it's bubbling over into the expansion tank?
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Hell bells !! where to look first !?

Yours is a rev 3/4 head on a rev 2 ?
It is

Whats sort of head gasket you running ??
Standard rev 3

I know the rev 3 has come sort of cavitation in comparison to the rev 2 head for coolant... did you use a rev 2 destined gasket or a rev 3 ??
Didn't alter it at all

I understnad you've probably addressed all avenues, but its often the simplest one overlooked.

I know when i've stuck a rev 3 gasket onto a rev 1/2, I've had to drill additional holes into it to allow circulation of coolant into the outter regions of the valve / combustion area of the head - always been paranoid in shifting stagnant coolant pockets !

This is only the HG being address here, were the holes for the coolant passages are in the right place ? and are they big enough.
Seem to remember there were a couple of small holes in the gasket that didn't match the block??

I know the rev 3/4 head has an extension to the swirl pot ( sensor stalk / what ever you want to call it ) in comparison to the rev 1/2's ... this channel looks like its directly to the area in discussion of the head which may provide that additional coolant flow out of the head ??? or did you use your rev 2 one and block the hole up ???
Managed to use a rev3

I know you've spent forever bleeding it ! What sort of rad cap you got on it ?? not tried fitting one of those 1.2 bar caps on it as a trail ??
As Dino said its a TRD 1.5

hhhmmmm ... ponder time
At the mo i am trying to get to the water pump to check it, strugling to get the crank pulley off.
Have you seen the video Neil shot, you can see the coolant shoot out?
Thanks J
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Andy F wrote:hhhmmmm ... ponder time
At the mo i am trying to get to the water pump to check it, strugling to get the crank pulley off.
Have you seen the video Neil shot, you can see the coolant shoot out?
Thanks J


Andy, did you take the thermostat housing off then, to see if it pumps out of there as you crank her over?

BTW, you've got to get used to using these qoute things, matey! ;)
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Andy, did you take the thermostat housing off then, to see if it pumps out of there as you crank her over?

No, i decided to take it off and inspect, or just replace it, if there was a fault its only when high rev/boost is prescent.

BTW, you've got to get used to using these qoute things, matey!

I know, think i will copy and paste lol

Any more thoughts mate??
BTW couldn't get through to Ian :(
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Andy F wrote:I know, think i will copy and paste lol


I thought that's what you are doing. Just hit the "Quote" button next to any thread, and it'll make a quote from them, and then just type below it.

Andy F wrote:
Any more thoughts mate??
BTW couldn't get through to Ian :(


Following on from what JJ said, I'm just wondering if it's to do with the mix of Rev3 head and HG and block.

Maybe send Ian a text (if he's on a job, then he rarely answers the phone, but if you send him a text, he'll get back to you as soon as he can).
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MR2Mania wrote:The Rev1/2 heads have a channel around the combustion chambers, right? So if you're fitting a Rev3 head (which has holes, not a channel) onto an earlier block, would you not just make sure that the holes on the HG line up with the holes in the head?

Even on a Rev3 head, the HG holes are smaller than the holes in the head, aren't they? I remember asking a Toyota engine builder if it was worth opening up the gasket to match the holes exactly but he said that sometimes you can overdo it and put too much coolant flow into the head.

JJ, I think Andy's already got an uprated filler cap. I don't know what options there are, but I've got a 1.5bar TRD one here (stock is 0.9). Now, if Andy's is a 1.5bar one, then what the hell is pressurising his system so much that it's bubbling over into the expansion tank?


Dino

I have got the standard RAD Cap on mine, also a Standard Oil Cap....whats the difference with running a 1.5bar one etc etc :?:
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