Tim Bill and IMOC-UK

[markiii]

He was advised to keep everything for proof if needed.
Ed.

why need proof if as you stated earlier he would never have actually gone legal?

[HT]

I think this could have been handled alot better. It all started off well and professional. I think if only new questions were allowed to be posted and answered. also heavily moderated so only factual information was allowed and preventing feelings of either side from being published it wouldn't have exploded into chaos that it has.

In all fairness you have made some really flaming personal attacks in this thread, none of which make any sense as a voice piece for Tim-B. What I (and I'm sure many others) cannot fathom is why you persist on Tim's behalf.

I know this banning has changed him, he thinks about his posts more now and doesn't allow himself to post while still emotional.

Ed its good that you care about the emotional well being of Tim, but surely a more balanced outlook would include the majority of a forum, who presently are neglected by both yours & Tim's continual pursuit of your own personal ill-founded justice.

[V8Killer]

1. Leeroy
2. Enigma
3. anna
4. skinthespin
5. simmo
6. ht
7. V8Killer

[Speedy]

flexable comprimise like 12 month ban with a probation for example.

Banning is permanent and forever. If somebody hasn't changed their ways after 3/4/5 formal warnings, why would anybody think that they are ever going to change their ways. Somebody would just come back after some period of time, and carry on as they were before, knowing that they'll be gone again for a few weeks, and then they can come back.

There is no god-given right to be able to use the forums. The forums require a fair amount of money & time to keep running at an acceptable level, and so rules are needed to protect them. If you break those rules consistently and seemingly without any care, then expect to have your right to use the forums withdrawn and never re-instated.

[tonigmr2]

1. Leeroy
2. Enigma
3. anna
4. skinthespin
5. simmo
6. ht
7. V8Killer
8. tonigmr2

Because of the continued damage you seem to want to inflict on the club. If people had gone away and grown up for a few months then came back I could've forgiven it. I like to make up my own mind generally. But I can't stomach the continued arguments without seeing the correspondence in full. If that can't be shown (with comment from the protagonists if that is what is required) then please just shut up.
T

[Quigonjay]

You have to ask yourself that if certain committee members weren't on there high horse and listened then we wouldn't be here. Nor would be here if this thread wasn't posted which i feel was just a way to discredit his lifelyhood.

how dare you, how <edit> dare you
you have to ask yourself if tim wasnt such a tit, would this thread even exist? would we still have volunteers willing to take on the more senior roles? would the good members of this club already in those roles feel threatened? etc etc
ed and tim why dont you just <edit> and leave us alone, you are clearly not welcome

[Quigonjay]

1. Leeroy
2. Enigma
3. anna
4. skinthespin
5. simmo
6. ht
7. V8Killer
8. tonigmr2
9. Quigonjay

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What a load of rubbish, this thread has pretty much thrown out the rule book and nothing is been done about it. For a club so strong to enforce the rules...its pretty much a joke!

I think the second point on that list applied to Tim when he was banned...the same point applies to this entire thread and its creation.

[Speedy]

/broken-record

if you feel that posts in this thread are breaking the rules, then please use the report post button, and we'll look at them.

I'd totally disagree with point 2) being about this thread. Do you not think that the people who pay for the club to keep running have a right to know about what is going on?

[V8Killer]

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What a load of rubbish, this thread has pretty much thrown out the rule book and nothing is been done about it. For a club so strong to enforce the rules...its pretty much a joke!

I think the second point on that list applied to Tim when he was banned...the same point applies to this entire thread and its creation.

With the exception of Anna saying Tim acting like a "rude" word, i'd have to disagree.

Can you explain how this thread has been disruptive, offensive or abusive behaviour? If anything this thread has a constructive and logical tone to it, bringing to light what went on. If anyone has been disruptive its Ed, who cannot seem to accept the consequences. Tim's accepted them why can't Ed?

[RichLee]

/broken-record

if you feel that posts in this thread are breaking the rules, then please use the report post button, and we'll look at them.

I'd totally disagree with point 2) being about this thread. Do you not think that the people who pay for the club to keep running have a right to know about what is going on?

Fair enough I will do that

I totally agree people have a right to know about whats going on, leaving the thread open for discussion has lead to rules in point 2 been broken no matter how you look at it.

I'm not saying admin have broken the rules...far from it...you have remained civil and kept the posts constructive, allthough the majority of the members in this thread have in some way broken these rules.

This thread is aimed at one member...Tim...may have not started that way but other members have turned it into a dispruptive, offensive, abusive and threatening thread. Just look at the recent list thats been started, 'sign up to get rid of tim and ed', are you going to let that continue? Is that not offensive to Tim...who is/was a member?

I'm not going to go through this entire thread and pick out posts, thats for the job of the admin and moderators to do, but you will clearly see that from the 2nd post in this thread members have dragged the thread down and taken it totaly off its original purpose...to let the club know what is going on.

[Charged]

1. Leeroy
2. Enigma
3. anna
4. skinthespin
5. simmo
6. ht
7. V8Killer
8. tonigmr2
9. Quigonjay
10. Charged

[nailmonkey]

Hi,

I think that all members should be allowed to have their say, but a list of people who want a member removed/banned?

What criteria needs to be met for this to happen? TBH it just makes the whole thing seem a bit childish and amateur. Fair enough if there is a framework in place i.e. a member gets three formal warnings and then it is put to a vote for the whole membership to decide.

A list of names, lol, it looks group buy!!11!!

At least have a separate thread with a poll.

Nik

[CosmosblueMR2]

At least have a separate thread with a poll.

Nik

agree with that...



BTW (eeek lauren speak ) where are all these hundreds of people that wanted Tim back / giving support over email and PM - surely they are also members of IMOC - as otherwise how would they know ?.. and if so why don't they post up support ? just seems like Ed at the moment...

Even Ryan can see WHY the committee came to the decsion (after 4 formal warnings) and HE appreciates that Tim will have to just live with the consequences of his actions
so hats off to you Ryan

I've met Tim at TOTB last year and he seemed a very pleasant chap so i have no axe to grind personally - just so people know..


Is it right or feasable that the club members can vote out/ban a member ? or is this all just conjecture ? serious Q...

[Leon.]

Is it right or feasable that the club members can vote out/ban a member ? or is this all just conjecture ? serious Q...

If nothing else it shows how pi$$ed people are with the whole situation, and the negative effect this guy has had on the club most recently. To me, a ban is a ban (whether legally enforced or not) and I think it would have been best if this was recognised by Tim for the sake of the guy's dignity, and 'business'. He chose not to and clearly it was a big mistake - his choice, no-one elses, and no-one forced him into any actions here which is why I hate the poor Timmy approach by some.

FWIW I do think Tim added great value to IMOC but unfortunately let himself down one too many a time and has to live with the consequences - life's a b1tch, but hey, we've all got to learn right?

[tonigmr2]

I am not for an anonymous vote simply because it can be populated by friends of friends and multiple second accounts, and it's not fair to limit it to only premium members.

I think putting your name down and registering your unhappiness with the situation is far more effective tbh. Let's face it 90% or more of IMOC probably don't care either way anyway so a vote won't achieve much.
T

[luthor1]

Out of curiosity, if I get 3 formal warnings and get banned can I come back as an affiliate?



If the answer is 'NO' then this whole thing is a farce.

[nailmonkey]

I am not for an anonymous vote simply because it can be populated by friends of friends and multiple second accounts, and it's not fair to limit it to only premium members.

Wow, out of 7800+ members how many of those accounts do you think are multiple account used by the same people?

Is the system that flawed? Isn't an anonymous vote precisely the system we use to elect new moderators who could then go on to become committee members?

I think putting your name down and registering your unhappiness with the situation is far more effective tbh. Let's face it 90% or more of IMOC probably don't care either way anyway so a vote won't achieve much.

It's democracy, the right to make a choice without fear that you might be persecuted for your choice.

As an example, general political elections have a low turnout, maybe instead of having to drag our asses to the polling station we could just put a board in the front window stating our party of choice. Can you see any downsides to having a big poster saying BNP in your window?

IMO, a poll is perfect, a simple yes, no, who cares?

Nik

[Draven]

1. Leeroy
2. Enigma
3. anna
4. skinthespin
5. simmo
6. ht
7. V8Killer
8. tonigmr2
9. Quigonjay
10. Charged
11. Draven

What a waste of effort. I have tried to keep myself out of this as i'm fed up with how boring it is.. its in the past.

[tonigmr2]

I imagine there are several multiple accounts, and a few more created at the thought of a poll...most elections only get about 30 people anyway. It wouldn't take many friends of friends to tip it now would it?

I take your point about elections and anonymity, but at least this way IMOC cannot be accused of rigging the poll.

T